Linux version of Logos Bible Software

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Jared A Warner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 20 2021 4:55 PM

I had trouble at first too. I usually have the most trouble when trying to do large updates/resource downloads. I Uninstalled it all and reinstalled, and did the minimum resource download. Then added the other resources I used 1 at a time.

Jared

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Capulo, Filipe Paes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2021 12:34 PM

I followed all the steps and the program was installed. But when running it appears the program loading screen and then closes before entering the login screen. What should I do to resolve this? I'm using Pop_os 21.04.

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2021 12:36 PM

If you are using wine 6.20, then go back to wine 6.18 or 19. Otherwise please give details of wine --version and terminal output when crashed. Ideally in our Telegram group.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Guillaume JOGA | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 2:23 AM

Dear Everyone,

I just installed the Zorin distro of Linux. I know very little about computers and programing etc... and much of what is said on this forum sounds like chinese to me (nothing against chinese, just that I don't speak it...).

Can someone please tell me if today it is possible to install LOGOS bible software on Linux, and how complicated that is? Is there a step by step guide for this somewhere on the internet?

Thank you very much!

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 2:38 AM

Yes it's possible. All info is here or linked from here:https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=39484

Zorin is a derivative of Ubuntu so I imagine that the ferion script is a good bet for you to try.

Instructions here

https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Guillaume JOGA | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 2:51 AM

Thank you John for this prompt answer !!! I went to : https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller
and saw a bunch of info that I'm not sure what to do with... yet I saw that there is a small video of the installation that I downloaded.
Shall I just play the video and mimic what I see on the screen and i'll be alright?

Thank you again!

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DavidR | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 5:38 AM

I'm interested to see how Guillaume gets on. I'm on Lubuntu, which is also a Ubuntu derivative of course, and I've still not succeeded (see comments upthread). I'm now considering changing flavours to one that's been reported here as working. There's nothing on the laptop in question that matters except Logos, and this is partly an opportunity to learn Linux for me (I keep trying), so it seems the obvious option. Also I could take Logos on the laptop with me to meetings, which would be better than paper!

The challenge is definitely about knowing enough to cope with anything slightly out of the ordinary. Usually, the instructions for that assume that you know how to deal with Wine bottles, symbolic links, or whatever, and don't contain pointers to places where you can find out that background. Which is understandable, but makes a Logos install a challenging first project, even for this reasonably IT-literate user!

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 6:27 AM

DavidR:
I'm on Lubuntu

Are you using a 32bit system? If so you need to use the instructions for Logos 8.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 6:33 AM

Actually forget that, read your log. Choose the fast install script instead.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Guillaume JOGA | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 2:32 PM

So simply following the steps of the small installation video will get me there?

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 4:26 PM

Usually but not today... seems like one of the key downloads is missing from the server. Will send Daniel an issue report.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2021 4:54 PM

I was successful installing Logos using the fast script today on my chromebook in a Debian Buster container. My problem is that at the Logos login screen, it wouldn't recognize my password. I did a password reset and the new password logged me in to the web app, so I know the password is good.

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2021 5:11 AM

John Goodman:

Usually but not today... seems like one of the key downloads is missing from the server. Will send Daniel an issue report.

It's working again. Fast install basically uses a pre-prepared wine bottle. It just means your computer doesn't need to spend 45mins installing dotnet etc.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Guillaume JOGA | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2021 5:25 AM

Sorry John, I don't know what you mean by "fast install" Confused
(really, I need "how to install logos for the dummies !")

Do you mean I can just follow the steps shown on the video on
https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller where it says :

"There is a small video of the installation using the fast_install_AppImageWine_and_Logos.sh"

Thank you !

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DavidR | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2021 5:32 AM

I'm reading it that a fast install is just an install that's quicker than usual.

But seemingly it does it by installing a pre-set package that just does Logos, and won't so easily be usable as well if you want to add other Windows programs. So speed at the cost of some flexibility.

That said, one of the things I've got to get my head round is Wine bottles and the extent to which lots of programs can go in one bottle. The idea, I think, is to have different Windows configurations for different programs. But that's not what Windows does, so I haven't really worked out why Wine does it.

And I do realise that this is probably not the place for general Linux tutorials, but it's a challenge approaching Logos/Linux without the relevant background.

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2021 5:58 AM

Guillaume JOGA:

Do you mean I can just follow the steps shown on the video on
https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller where it says :

"There is a small video of the installation using the fast_install_AppImageWine_and_Logos.sh"

Yes, best to use the fast_install_AppImageWine_and_Logos.sh script.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2021 6:07 AM

DavidR:
But seemingly it does it by installing a pre-set package that just does Logos, and won't so easily be usable as well if you want to add other Windows programs. So speed at the cost of some flexibility.

Not really any loss of flexibility. It is possible to install windows apps into the same wine bottle but they may require quite a different set up. Actually the end result of both scripts is the same, the reason the fast install exists is A) its a lot quicker and B) installing dotnet48 fails on certain set ups. This is a bug which is known and is being worked on. It affects a tremendous number of apps and not just Logos. Understanding the complexity of why and how to make sure it works is a big ask. Fast install just jump starts you past this.

In both scripts everything is installed into a folder called $HOME/LogosBible_Linux_P which you could delete and recreate affecting nothing else on your system. The script gives you the choice to use a wine appimage or to use the native wine from your system. Choosing the appImage is the safest way to ensure it works. As wine is actively developed there are regressions which slip into the wine-devel or wine-staging versions. E.g. wine-devel6.21 currently has a bug which prevents Logos popups from working. I am communicating with the developer who wrote the code which caused the problem and hope to have it working again before 6.22. So nobody will want to use 6.21 but your distro will probably pull the update just because it is there. The idea is of course to make sure that the stable releases 6.00 7.00 etc are reliable.

Do note there are some few features in Logos which wine does not yet support. Media playback, speech, printing, updating. Each update you should backup your data. If it works great, if not, fresh install and restore your data.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Paul Unger | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2021 8:08 AM

My understanding of "Wine bottles" (perhaps somewhat cloudy) is that they provide an 'enclosed' environment for each Windows program you want to run in Linux -- each in their own 'bottle' representing a unique 'variety' of Wine (or Windows -- 10, 7, Vista, 98, 64-bit, 32-bit, etc., etc., etc.). Important note: some people call them "Wine prefixes" (because that's how they show up in your Home folder -- with different prefixes). Some Windows programs run with the newest version of Wine, but some only run with very specific and older versions of Wine. Wine's AppDB (https://appdb.winehq.org/) will tell you which version of Wine works with the program you want to install. If one program can run with the newest version of Wine and another can only run with an older version of Wine, you've got a problem...

Scenario: Let's say you install Wine on your machine and then Logos, but you don't put it in its own bottle. You'll be fine, until Linux finds an update for Wine, you agree to install it, and then you find that Logos no longer runs. It worked with the older version of Wine, but the new one breaks something (new wine in old wineskins?) -- something guys like you and me have no hope of figuring out... Or, you install another Windows program in the Wine environment that requires an older version of Wine. Well, there's going to be a conflict.

Wine bottles help prevent conflicts. You can install program A in its own bottle with its specific version of Wine (or Windows), and program B in a bottle with the version of Wine that it prefers. They're "protected" from system updates that might break them, and can each have their own configuration settings.

If you're like me, you'll have to refresh your memory about this every time you work with Wine. One site I've found helpful is: https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/create-wine-prefixes-on-linux/. Maybe others have better info / more helpful sites. I'd love to hear it!

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2021 8:56 AM

Paul, that's helpful.

I think apps like wine bottler, playonlinux etc tried to simplify this but also add their own layers of confusion. A given wine prefix won't include or specify a version of wine necessarily. Though you can do it with a startup script which is how the ferion script works. There are also other configuration issues, which supporting libraries are installed, e.g. dotnet, directx and actually which version of windows the system reports to the app.

גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2021 9:57 AM

Bill Anderson:

I was successful installing Logos using the fast script today on my chromebook in a Debian Buster container. My problem is that at the Logos login screen, it wouldn't recognize my password. I did a password reset and the new password logged me in to the web app, so I know the password is good.

As an update, I replaced the Debian Buster container with an Ubuntu 20.4 one and completed the fast install in that. This time, the Logos login screen accepted my password. Logos is up and running, but I would prefer to use the Debian container and not the Ubuntu one. If anyone can help me understand why the Logos login screen would not accept my password in the Debian Buster container, I would appreciate it.

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