2 Timothy Commentary Question

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2016 2:45 PM

I'm needing a good technical commentary on 2 Timothy. I have Word Biblical already (for 2 Timothy), plus I'm in the process of getting NICNT (for 2 Timothy). I'm debating whether I should get Heremenia, Anchor, or both (only on 2 Timothy). What are your recommendations?

Thanks!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 3:25 PM

Nathan Parker:
I'm needing a good technical commentary on 2 Timothy. I have Word Biblical already (for 2 Timothy), plus I'm in the process of getting NICNT (for 2 Timothy). I'm debating whether I should get Heremenia, Anchor, or both (only on 2 Timothy). What are your recommendations?

Personally, specifically for 2 Timothy I'd go for one of:

  • NIGTC by George W. Knight
  • ICC by Howard Marshall

If you can't/won't get these, then buy Anchor over Hermeneia. The Hermeneia volume on Timothy is very dated (and wasn't particularly good in the first place).

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 3:48 PM

Mark Barnes:

Nathan Parker:
I'm needing a good technical commentary on 2 Timothy. I have Word Biblical already (for 2 Timothy), plus I'm in the process of getting NICNT (for 2 Timothy). I'm debating whether I should get Heremenia, Anchor, or both (only on 2 Timothy). What are your recommendations?

Personally, specifically for 2 Timothy I'd go for one of:

  • NIGTC by George W. Knight
  • ICC by Howard Marshall

If you can't/won't get these, then buy Anchor over Hermeneia. The Hermeneia volume on Timothy is very dated (and wasn't particularly good in the first place).

Sounds good. I have NIGTC and will be using it as well. I'm afraid to use ICC volumes in case my seminary balks at any of them. The contents of Anchor did look better than Hermeneia, plus I definitely want the later of the two volumes, so sounds great. Thanks for the info!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 3:57 PM

Nathan Parker:
I'm afraid to use ICC volumes in case my seminary balks at any of them.

My first reaction "you're kidding aren't you?" ... quality scholarship is quality scholarship regardless of where it is published; junk is junk even when published by a reputable publisher.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 3:59 PM

Nathan Parker:
I'm afraid to use ICC volumes in case my seminary balks at any of them.

Why would they?

The older ICC volumes are extremely dated, but the newer ones (in the NT, at least) are certainly fit for purpose — Davies and Allison on Matthew, Barrett on Acts, and Cranfield on Romans are all first-rate. Marshall on the Pastorals is perhaps not quite that good, but it's still very worthwhile.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 4:06 PM

Mark Barnes:

Nathan Parker:
I'm afraid to use ICC volumes in case my seminary balks at any of them.

Why would they?

The older ICC volumes are extremely dated, but the newer ones (in the NT, at least) are certainly fit for purpose — Davies and Allison on Matthew, Barrett on Acts, and Cranfield on Romans are all first-rate. Marshall on the Pastorals is perhaps not quite that good, but it's still very worthwhile.

Good point, and I'll look into the newer ones. It'd be the older ones they'd possibly "balk" at. If it's old enough to be "public domain" or near public domain, generally it's considered unacceptable unless I use it sparingly and cite new resources with it.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 4:08 PM

MJ. Smith:

Nathan Parker:
I'm afraid to use ICC volumes in case my seminary balks at any of them.

My first reaction "you're kidding aren't you?" ... quality scholarship is quality scholarship regardless of where it is published; junk is junk even when published by a reputable publisher.

Mark helped clarify it a little bit and gave me something else to look into. The newer ones I could definitely use. The older volumes they'd either "balk" at or I could possibly pull off using them sparingly as long as I balance them with newer resources as well.

They're on this "current" kick and basically stated "if it's old enough to be public domain or near public domain, it's unacceptable". I understand that current scholarship should be incorporated into papers, but personally, I believe a balance is needed. There is still plenty that can be gained from older resources.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 4:17 PM

Nathan Parker:
If it's old enough to be "public domain" or near public domain, generally it's considered unacceptable

Oops guess the Bible is out ... it is certainly old enough to be "public domain" Wink

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 4:20 PM

Marshall is good, but I think he doesn't believe Paul is the author...he's good, nonetheless!

DAL

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 4:21 PM

MJ. Smith:

Nathan Parker:
If it's old enough to be "public domain" or near public domain, generally it's considered unacceptable

Oops guess the Bible is out ... it is certainly old enough to be "public domain" Wink

Hee hee! One way they've "gotten" around that argument is they put please use a "modern" Bible in your papers. My response was, "Aww, we can't use the KJV that Paul and the Apostles carried with them?" ;-)

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 4:47 PM

Pete used KJV and Paul used the more improved ASV (1901) 1901 was when it was discovered ;)

DAL

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 4:48 PM

DAL:

Pete used KJV and Paul used the more improved ASV (1901) 1901 was when it was discovered ;)

DAL

That's right. I thought I had those mixed up. ;-)

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Roy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 5:12 PM

I think I'd find a different seminary. Since when is TRUTH ever dated?

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 5:32 PM

Roy:

I think I'd find a different seminary. Since when is TRUTH ever dated?

I only have a couple more semesters after this one before I graduate. I don't know what is really up with them lately. Previously, the recommended suggestion for commentaries was "purchase the biggest Logos Base Package you can receive". They recommended Platinum minimum. Now they're saying please only use current technical commentaries. Since I haven't been able to spend the $$$$ on what it'd take to buy every recommended series they want me to use, I've been trying to just get the volumes I need to complete my assignments with, and even then, my shopping cart to complete this semester is almost $600.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 5:34 PM

Nathan Parker:

I'm needing a good technical commentary on 2 Timothy. I have Word Biblical already (for 2 Timothy), plus I'm in the process of getting NICNT (for 2 Timothy). I'm debating whether I should get Heremenia, Anchor, or both (only on 2 Timothy). What are your recommendations?

Thanks!

I know you're looking for a technical commentary, but I thought I'd throw in that John Stott's commentary in the Bible Speaks Today series is excellent. Sometimes he discusses technical issues at a level the ordinary reader can grasp.

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Jonathan Ray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 5:35 PM

The NIGTC by George Knight III my go-to. There are two critical volumes which will represent distinct voices should not be missed, though:

The Eerdmans Critical Commentary (ECC) volume: https://www.logos.com/product/7451/the-first-and-second-letters-to-timothy-volume-1-and-2. This is a massive volume that deserves a seat at the table. I was impressed by the very thorough Philemon volume in this series (nearly 600 pages!) by Barth and Blanke. 

My other recommendation is Anchor Yale volume by Luke Timothy Johnson: https://www.logos.com/product/41480/the-first-and-second-letters-to-timothy.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 5:36 PM

Bill Anderson:

Nathan Parker:

I'm needing a good technical commentary on 2 Timothy. I have Word Biblical already (for 2 Timothy), plus I'm in the process of getting NICNT (for 2 Timothy). I'm debating whether I should get Heremenia, Anchor, or both (only on 2 Timothy). What are your recommendations?

Thanks!

I know you're looking for a technical commentary, but I thought I'd throw in that John Stott's commentary in the Bible Speaks Today series is excellent. Sometimes he discusses technical issues at a level the ordinary reader can grasp.

Sounds good. I'll look into it, and even if I can't cite it in papers, it may be good reading for me to better understand passages.

My favorite author is Butler, and personally, I could use him almost exclusively for understanding passages, but this is a seminary paper, so I have to go technical for the professors.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 5:37 PM

Jonathan Ray:

The NIGTC by George Knight III my go-to. There are two critical volumes which will represent distinct voices should not be missed, though:

The Eerdmans Critical Commentary (ECC) volume: https://www.logos.com/product/7451/the-first-and-second-letters-to-timothy-volume-1-and-2. This is a massive volume that deserves a seat at the table. I was impressed by the very thorough Philemon volume in this series (nearly 600 pages!) by Barth and Blanke. 

My other recommendation is Anchor Yale volume by Luke Timothy Johnson: https://www.logos.com/product/41480/the-first-and-second-letters-to-timothy.

Hi Jonathan! Missed seeing you in classes this semester since they pushed back Greek and Hebrew until Summer. Hope to see you in Summer Greek and Hebrew!

I will be using NIGTC in my paper for sure. I have Anchor on my list to get. I'll look at ECC as well. Glad you chimed in so I can hear from a fellow student.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 5:43 PM

Roy:

I think I'd find a different seminary. Since when is TRUTH ever dated?

I know what you mean, but the way I see it, Truth is never dated, but Bible "versions" are mainly due to changes or evolution of language. After all, why use KJV words such as: "unicorn" (Job 39:9-12), "wh0re" (Revelation 17:15), "piss" (2 Kings 18:27) or "dumbass" (2 Peter 2:16) when they don't sound so proper anymore :) 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2016 7:44 PM

Anchor is a great value right now as it's on for $19.99

-dan

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