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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2016 7:03 PM
Hello everyone,

You’ve helped us produce thousands of products through our Pre-Pub system over the years. Despite this success Pre-Pub has, in some ways, become a bottle neck. We’ve identified a number of products that weren't gaining enough interest and decided to cancel them. We believe this will optimize the Pre-Pub system and help us produce and ship products faster.

If any of your pre-orders are affected, you’ll be receiving an email that details how these changes impact you specifically.
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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 7:07 PM
  1. What about the ones coming from Community Pricing that are now in Pre-Pub, are they going to be cancelled?
  2. What rules do you guys use to keep a Pre-Pub or to cancel a Pre-Pub? (what if the Pre-Pub is popular but the threshold is just really high to be met?)
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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 7:11 PM

Community Pricing products that have moved to Pre-Pub are not affected. The Pre-Pubs affected here were were judged on a case-by-case basis by overall performance.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 7:39 PM

Does that mean only prepubs "under development" get to stay and the almost there and the gathering interest get to be cancelled? Because there are some under development that have been there forever and no word on what's going on and why it's taking so long. Just wondering about that.

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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 7:41 PM

Pre-Pubs that are Under Development have not been affected. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 8:11 PM

Matthew Miller:
We’ve identified a number of products that weren't gaining enough interest and decided to cancel them. We believe this will optimize the Pre-Pub system and help us produce and ship products faster.

I clearly misunderstood the Pre-pub system. What resources are used by a pre-pub while it is gathering interest that will now be redirected towards producing and shipping resources faster?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 8:13 PM

Matthew Miller:
We’ve identified a number of products that weren't gaining enough interest and decided to cancel them.

When will they be pulled? Have they already been removed?

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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 8:19 PM

MJ. Smith:

Matthew Miller:
We’ve identified a number of products that weren't gaining enough interest and decided to cancel them. We believe this will optimize the Pre-Pub system and help us produce and ship products faster.

I clearly misunderstood the Pre-pub system. What resources are used by a pre-pub while it is gathering interest that will now be redirected towards producing and shipping resources faster?

Good question.

A number of resources support Pre-Pubs while they are Gathering Interest, including several types of promotional assets. Additionally, reducing the number of existing Pre-Pubs will bring greater visibility to remaining products.

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Matthew Miller:
We’ve identified a number of products that weren't gaining enough interest and decided to cancel them.

When will they be pulled? Have they already been removed?

Yes, they've already been removed.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 8:22 PM

MJ. Smith:
What resources are used by a pre-pub while it is gathering interest that will now be redirected towards producing and shipping resources faster?

Maybe some of us are looking at how much we might potentially be committed to and are cutting back on new items? Maybe there are just too many so that the focus is too broad, leaving lots of pre-pubs stranded? Don't know.

I'd favor a time cut-off on all pre-pubs. It seems to be a rare occasion when a pre-pub that has been in existence for two years or more gets into production. The exact data FL has and I'd suggest they apply it.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 8:23 PM

Matthew Miller:

If any of your pre-orders are affected, you’ll be receiving an email that details how these changes impact you specifically.

I assume this means a list of pre-pubs that were cancelled on our accounts?

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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 8:24 PM

Mark Smith:

Matthew Miller:

If any of your pre-orders are affected, you’ll be receiving an email that details how these changes impact you specifically.

I assume this means a list of pre-pubs that were cancelled on our accounts?



Correct.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 16 2016 9:39 PM

Is this to make a way for Crossway's Pre-Pubs?

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Jim Snowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2016 3:33 AM

I'm guessing none of my prepubs have been affected as I haven't had an email. But do we have any examples of the prepub books that have been removed?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2016 4:18 AM

Matthew Miller:
We’ve identified a number of products that weren't gaining enough interest and decided to cancel them.

I applaud this move to reduce the number of pre-pubs according to how they were performing. It is interesting that years ago I used to carefully review the pre-pub list on a regular basis but more recently, because there have been so many, I seldom even look at them.

In light of this I have a couple of questions.

  1. Have you determined the approximate number of pre-pubs that might be offered at one time?
  2. Have you considered publishing a date of how long they will be offered before reaching a certain minimum level? This time-sensitive approach might motivate people to buy who might be sitting on the fence.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2016 4:48 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Matthew Miller:
We’ve identified a number of products that weren't gaining enough interest and decided to cancel them.

I applaud this move to reduce the number of pre-pubs according to how they were performing. It is interesting that years ago I used to carefully review the pre-pub list on a regular basis but more recently, because there have been so many, I seldom even look at them.

In light of this I have a couple of questions.

  1. Have you determined the approximate number of pre-pubs that might be offered at one time?
  2. Have you considered publishing a date of how long they will be offered before reaching a certain minimum level? This time-sensitive approach might motivate people to buy who might be sitting on the fence.

Your questions can be great suggestions that will help get books faster in the Logos platform. I hope they do something about those who have been in development land for almost an eternity.

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Bruce Roth | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2016 5:00 AM

Jim Snowden:

I'm guessing none of my prepubs have been affected as I haven't had an email. But do we have any examples of the prepub books that have been removed?

I checked on my orders and see that one of my languishing orders is gone but I haven't received an email. 

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2016 5:08 AM

Bruce Dunning:
I applaud this move to reduce the number of pre-pubs according to how they were performing. It is interesting that years ago I used to carefully review the pre-pub list on a regular basis but more recently, because there have been so many, I seldom even look at them.

YesYes

I also regularly used to browse the list but don't any more because of the sheer length of it. I also wonder if it would be worth taking some off after a certain amount of time - if people aren't buying them, they're just clogging up the list. I have some where I bid two or three years ago (and I don't want to start another competition to see who's got the oldest Pre-Pub bid!) I know I've sometimes gone back and cancelled those that were bid on a long time ago where my need for the book has passed or it was a marginal decision to buy it. 

As others have said, hopefully this will enable resources to pass through the system more quickly. 


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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2016 5:25 AM

I can tell by the cost of all my prepubs that thousands of dollars have been removed, yet I received no email about it.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2016 5:26 AM

Bruce Roth:

I checked on my orders and see that one of my languishing orders is gone but I haven't received an email. 

Matt Hamrick:

I can tell by the cost of all my prepubs that thousands of dollars have been removed, yet I received no email about it.

Matthew wrote that the pre-pubs have already been pulled (past tense) and that users will be (future tense) receiving an email. 

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2016 5:44 AM

Matthew Miller:
We believe this will optimize the Pre-Pub system and help us produce and ship products faster.

If no work is done on a resource until it goes into production, I don't understand how a prepub that has not gone into production has any impact on Logos' ability to "produce and ship products faster."

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