Logos 7: What have you bought, and why...?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 5:11 PM

Thanks Mark! That one was sorted back in late 2014 (file date and last updated).  My memory must be oddly bad. Logos6 I guess.


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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 5:35 PM

Ok Good Morning everyone, I have tried to get to a product page for the L7 base packages but it just keeps refreshing the videos....

I want to get to a page that shows me what are the base packages and the cost to upgrade, and see what will be new to me if I want that package..

Please add a link to the pages if you can access it!  Thanks

So this is why i have not bought anything..

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 5:40 PM

I maintained or upgraded my base packages for standard, Catholic, Anglican and Lutheran ...replacing many dead tree volumes of Classics of Western Spirituality was a major impetus.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 5:48 PM

Lee:
I want to get to a page that shows me what are the base packages and the cost to upgrade, and see what will be new to me if I want that package..

Here's some individual product URLs that allow you to do a "New to You" on individual packages. You still can't compare between packages.

If you're looking for a denominational package, here are links to all the Bronze versions. You can get to the product pages for the other ones from there:

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 5:49 PM

Paul-C:
I'd love to hear what others have bought,

Standard Platinum—Hermeneia, Augustine, and New Barclay plus many other things that will probably be surprisingly helpful in the future. The final price was about half that of Hermeneia alone.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 5:55 PM

I'm not finding the packages quite as compelling as I did for L6, but then the urgency is also not there because I already have 7 through Logos Now. I'm going to take my time, waiting for the site to settle, and thoroughly go through my options before ordering anything

If I had more money available right now there are several higher packages that look great, but at the lower end where I dwell, the Methodist Bronze is looking the most attractive. For me it's only $10 more than the Starter, and for that I get one additional commentary set (and not a PD one either). Also, it has this:

Mark Barnes:
I'll also be getting Methodist and Wesleyan Bronze. It's only $8.64 for me, and includes Eerdmans Ben Witherington Biblical Theology Collection (6 vols.) which is worth $74. Silver, looked tempting for all the commentaries that will be added later, but it turned out they were just Whedon's Commentary on the Old and New Testaments, which is languishing in CP.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 6:34 PM

Personally I will go from Lutheran Silver to either Lutheran Silver or Gold - have not decided which for sure. The Lutheran packages look to be significantly better to me: Actually including important writings of Luther, as well as Brugenhagen, and important Pietist works.... Lutheran Gold is of particular interest because of Hermeneia. I have most of it already, but this is a good deal to top off my set.

Also, since I have old Anglican Bronze, adding new Anglican Bronze for 50 bucks or so is a no brainer, with the Classics of Western Spirituality volumes included.

In Logos 6 I got Reformed Starter for the Institutes and RSV RI. I will look to see what if anything would be valuable for me in the various libraries after I do the above two upgrades.

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JH | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 8:04 PM

Mark Barnes:

Paul-C:

The range of base packages / libraries is bewildering (in a good way!) - and I'd love to hear what others have bought, and what the "sweet spots" are in the new range. Thanks. 

So far, I've purchased Reformed Portfolio, Baptist Platinum and the Full Feature Set. I'm still assessing some of the other options.

As the compare page isn't working yet, my strategy was to begin with the Starter edition, and ask myself if I was willing to pay $50 (or whatever my dynamic pricing was) for the resources in that package. If I wasn't, I'd ask the same question of the next package up and so on. Once I decided that a package was worth having, I kept that open in a window, and then compare the next one up with that package, and ask whether the price difference between the two packages is worth the extra money.

I bought Reformed Portfolio mostly for Jonathan Edwards' works (my dynamic pricing price was about a third of the price of that one bundle), but I also will appreciate The Bible Knowledge Background Commentary, CM328 Preaching the Psalms and I'm intrigued by the Lexham Geographic Commentary on the Gospels. I could have got all these in Reformed Diamond, but Portfolio was only a fraction more expensive, so that seemed worthwhile.

Baptist Platinum is only $150 for me. I'm most interested in Select Works of William Lane Craig (4 vols.), The Baptism of Disciples Alone, Christianity Today Magazine and the stuff from Founders' Press.

I'll also be getting Methodist and Wesleyan Bronze. It's only $8.64 for me, and includes Eerdmans Ben Witherington Biblical Theology Collection (6 vols.) which is worth $74. Silver, looked tempting for all the commentaries that will be added later, but it turned out they were just Whedon's Commentary on the Old and New Testaments, which is languishing in CP.

I'll also be buying one of the packages with The Old Testament Library Series (7 vols.) and The New Testament Library Series (15 vols.) in it, but I haven't yet decided which that will be — probably either Diamond or Methodist & Wesleyan Platinum, which are similarly priced for me.

I recall Mark giving advice if buying several base packages on how to do it at the lowest cost. Was the strategy to buy one at a time (in order for dynamic pricing to kick in)? If so, does it matter which order? Should one start with the most expensive first? Or the one with the largest discount?

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 8:26 PM

JH:

Mark Barnes:

Paul-C:

The range of base packages / libraries is bewildering (in a good way!) - and I'd love to hear what others have bought, and what the "sweet spots" are in the new range. Thanks. 

So far, I've purchased Reformed Portfolio, Baptist Platinum and the Full Feature Set. I'm still assessing some of the other options.

As the compare page isn't working yet, my strategy was to begin with the Starter edition, and ask myself if I was willing to pay $50 (or whatever my dynamic pricing was) for the resources in that package. If I wasn't, I'd ask the same question of the next package up and so on. Once I decided that a package was worth having, I kept that open in a window, and then compare the next one up with that package, and ask whether the price difference between the two packages is worth the extra money.

I bought Reformed Portfolio mostly for Jonathan Edwards' works (my dynamic pricing price was about a third of the price of that one bundle), but I also will appreciate The Bible Knowledge Background Commentary, CM328 Preaching the Psalms and I'm intrigued by the Lexham Geographic Commentary on the Gospels. I could have got all these in Reformed Diamond, but Portfolio was only a fraction more expensive, so that seemed worthwhile.

Baptist Platinum is only $150 for me. I'm most interested in Select Works of William Lane Craig (4 vols.), The Baptism of Disciples Alone, Christianity Today Magazine and the stuff from Founders' Press.

I'll also be getting Methodist and Wesleyan Bronze. It's only $8.64 for me, and includes Eerdmans Ben Witherington Biblical Theology Collection (6 vols.) which is worth $74. Silver, looked tempting for all the commentaries that will be added later, but it turned out they were just Whedon's Commentary on the Old and New Testaments, which is languishing in CP.

I'll also be buying one of the packages with The Old Testament Library Series (7 vols.) and The New Testament Library Series (15 vols.) in it, but I haven't yet decided which that will be — probably either Diamond or Methodist & Wesleyan Platinum, which are similarly priced for me.

I recall Mark giving advice if buying several base packages on how to do it at the lowest cost. Was the strategy to buy one at a time (in order for dynamic pricing to kick in)? If so, does it matter which order? Should one start with the most expensive first? Or the one with the largest discount?

The largest discount, but not based on dynamic pricing. Log out and do price as package divided by sold separately. The lowest decimal should be purchased first, then ascending. The most expensive is not always the highest discount, frustratingly. That way you get as many resources as possible at the lowest price. 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 9:40 PM

The only thing I really wanted was TDOT, but of course FL stuck that in Collector's Edition, which is loaded with bloat. Plus, Dave Kaplan is gone. Therefore I won't be getting anything this time...

...and there is now a strong, comforting sense of relief and release washing over me. My back is monkey free!

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Greg Masone | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 22 2016 10:40 PM

Justin or Mark, 

By any chance could you link to the original explanation for how this works? Any examples so I could understand it a bit better?

Interestingly, I purchased a Starter Package to see how it effected prices on larger libraries and the price of my target library actually went up!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 3:00 AM

Greg Masone:
By any chance could you link to the original explanation for how this works? Any examples so I could understand it a bit better?

The technique is very difficult in Logos 7, because some the website doesn't give accurate totals for the total value of a base package. (It says it does, but they're wrong.)

. It won't save you hundreds of dollars, but it might help a bit. (I'm using my dynamic pricing figures.)

  1. Shortlist the packages you're interested in.
    • In this example it's Collectors ($372.56), Anglican Gold ($96.15) and Lutheran Silver ($135.94).
  2. Calculate the value of each package if you were to buy them separately. because that figure that's incorrect on L7 pages.* I've found the easiest way to do this is to copy the whole "New to You" table to Word, then copy/paste it in Excel as text, and then work out the total yourself.
    • For me that's Collectors $3,498.60, Anglican Gold ($885.77) and Lutheran Silver ($1,707.47)
  3. Work out the percentage discount you're getting for each package:
    • For me that's Collectors (89.35%), Anglican Gold (89.15%) and Lutheran Silver (92.04%)
  4. Buy the packages in separate transactions, starting with the one with the biggest discount (Lutheran Silver in this case).

This sounds complicated, but it only takes a few minutes for each package.

 When a package is marked as "Only some resources included", the "Total value" calculator seems to add the value of the whole set, not just the part that's included. Resources not yet published that have zero value confuse things further.

** To convert the string $26.99 into the number 26.99, use this forumula: =IF(LEFT(B2,1)="$",VALUE(RIGHT(B2,LEN(B2)-1)),0)

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 3:06 AM

Greg Masone:
By any chance could you link to the original explanation for how this works? Any examples so I could understand it a bit better?

I'll give you another example, this time with made up packages to make the maths easy.

Let's imagine we're interested in the following:

  • Reformed Portfolio ($1,500, discount rate is 87%)
  • Anglican Silver ($700, discount rate is 92%)

Let's imagine there's an overlap between the packages that has a retail price of $1,000. In Reformed Portfolio, that overlap is valued at $130, whilst in Anglican Silver that overlap is only valued at $80 (87% and 92% discounts on $1,000).

If I was to buy Reformed Portfolio first, I would expect Anglican Silver to be $80 cheaper. I'd pay $1,500+$620 = $2,120.

If I was to buy Anglican Silver first, I would expect Reformed Portfolio to be $130 cheaper. I'd pay $700+$1,370 = $2,070.

In this fictional example, buying the package with the highest discount first has saved me $50. In reality the discount rates will probably be a little closer together, so you might not save as much — but you don't know that until you do the calculations.

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Christian Bongartz | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 4:34 AM

So far I have purchased the L7 full feature set. Now I'm debating if Fathers of the Church Series (127 vols.), is worth going for Standard Portfolio, or going for Diamond instead. Maybe I'll wait till I can do a comparison.

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Frank Sauer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 5:10 AM

Just wondering if anyone else may have had this experience... I'm currently trying to decide between 4 upgrade options (Logos Standard and Reformed Gold and Platinum Versions) and had left Gold in my cart overnight.

This morning I open my laptop and see a yellow/gold banner at the top of my cart stating "We've added Logos 7 Platinum Library and removed Logos 7 Gold Library from your cart. Learn more." Learn more states something about doing this if I add a resource contained in a higher base package, so I'm not paying for it twice.... My concern - what if I only want the one resource I added and not the remainder of the next level - since Platinum is one of the options I'm considering, I'm not that frustrated with it. However seems to me to be a very shady practice to change my potential purchase without my knowledge or permission.... Has anyone seen this?

Another question I thought I knew the answer to, is if I'm buying either Gold or Platinum - why would the Full Feature Set be in the cart as well for an additional cost? I thought it was included with Bronze and above....

Also on the packages I notice that only small number of resources I own are listed as owned where the price is listed, the rest show a price, though it acknowledges I own the resources with the icon to the left of resource. Are we sure we are getting credited for the resources that still show a price and not the word owned?

Besides those technical based questions - any opinions on the Logos Standard Gold or Platinum vs The Reformed versions of the same?

I'm currently leaning Standard because of Anchor Yale Bible Dict and Hermeneia & Continental, but the excellent collections in the Reformed options look good as well.

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David Bailey | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 5:11 AM

Mark Barnes:

The technique is very difficult in Logos 7, because some the website doesn't give accurate totals for the total value of a base package. (It says it does, but they're wrong.)....

 When a package is marked as "Only some resources included", the "Total value" calculator seems to add the value of the whole set, not just the part that's included. Resources not yet published that have zero value confuse things further.

Makes sense now.  Thanks for your explanation regarding the ViPS sum on base packages.

David

 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 5:21 AM

Frank Sauer:
This morning I open my laptop and see a yellow/gold banner at the top of my cart stating "We've added Logos 7 Platinum Library and removed Logos 7 Gold Library from your cart. Learn more." Learn more states something about doing this if I add a resource contained in a higher base package, so I'm not paying for it twice.... My concern - what if I only want the one resource I added and not the remainder of the next level - since Platinum is one of the options I'm considering, I'm not that frustrated with it. However seems to me to be a very shady practice to change my potential purchase without my knowledge or permission.... Has anyone seen this?

Probably Platinum was in your cart before you added Gold, so Gold was never really in your cart. I did this myself, and got a bit confused. Overall though, Logos are doing the right thing. They're stopping you buying products you don't need.

Frank Sauer:
Another question I thought I knew the answer to, is if I'm buying either Gold or Platinum - why would the Full Feature Set be in the cart as well for an additional cost? I thought it was included with Bronze and above...

You need to get used to some new terminology. A base package is now made up of a Feature Set and a Library. If you add a base package, you'll see both in your cart. (So a Feature Set is part of the Bronze Base Package, but it's not part of the Bronze library).

See https://community.logos.com/forums/p/129383/840849.aspx#840849 

Frank Sauer:
Also on the packages I notice that only small number of resources I own are listed as owned where the price is listed, the rest show a price, though it acknowledges I own the resources with the icon to the left of resource. Are we sure we are getting credited for the resources that still show a price and not the word owned?

I'm 99% sure we are getting the right price, despite it displaying incorrectly for collections that are only partly included in a Library. I've done quite a few calculations on my own purchases (e.g. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/129353/840823.aspx#840823). 

Frank Sauer:
Besides those technical based questions - any opinions on the Logos Standard Gold or Platinum vs The Reformed versions of the same?

It all depends on what you want and what you already have. Perhaps you should wait until the comparison tool is working.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 5:37 AM

Frank Sauer:
Learn more states something about doing this if I add a resource contained in a higher base package, so I'm not paying for it twice.... My concern - what if I only want the one resource I added and not the remainder of the next level - since Platinum is one of the options I'm considering, I'm not that frustrated with it. However seems to me to be a very shady practice to change my potential purchase without my knowledge or permission.... Has anyone seen this?

I haven't seen it, but if anyone does, I'd appreciate it if that person would paste the exact text into this thread.

It's possible that Faithlife calculated (rightly or wrongly) that there was a resource in your cart that was in Platinum that would cost you as much or more than the gap between Gold and Platinum and is authentically trying to save you money.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 5:39 AM

SineNomine:
I haven't seen it, but if anyone does, I'd appreciate it if that person would paste the exact text into this thread.

It's easy to reproduce. Just add a library into your cart, then add a higher library from the same stream, then view your cart.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2016 5:41 AM

I updated from L6 gold to L7 gold, mostly because of getting the TOTC and TNTC, and interlinear Vulgate with their price and more than 200 resources as a bonus.

As I understand, this also contains the full feature dataset?

Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 8.1

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