An announcement from Lexham Press regarding EEC James

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 20 2016 5:37 PM

Tony Thomas:

That would be a cool tool for Logos to put into their software...a plagiarism checker!

I'm guessing it would have to be a web-based tool, but that would seem to be a real service for both students and scholars.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 20 2016 7:07 PM

I believe the difficulty in keeping such a large amount of information properly cited is one of the best arguments for using Logos in the first place. Older scholars who haven't are at some disadvantage. It's still an enormous discipline that doesn't really make the casualties glaring failures. It's not that what was presented was so wrong, but more about the manner of presentation.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 20 2016 9:07 PM

I "think" my copy of EEC: James was rented in Logos Cloud. Is it being pulled from Logos Cloud or still offered to Cloud subscribers?

Nathan Parker

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 20 2016 9:27 PM

Tony Thomas:

I hope that this doesn't become an epidemic...

I fear this too.

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David Kirk Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 21 2016 9:30 AM

Don't run Ellen G. White's books through a plagiarism checker. You wouldn't like the results. 

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Jesse Myers | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 21 2016 9:42 AM

Nathan Parker:

I "think" my copy of EEC: James was rented in Logos Cloud. Is it being pulled from Logos Cloud or still offered to Cloud subscribers?

No, it is no longer available in Logos Cloud. 

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 21 2016 11:48 AM

Jesse Myers:

Nathan Parker:

I "think" my copy of EEC: James was rented in Logos Cloud. Is it being pulled from Logos Cloud or still offered to Cloud subscribers?

No, it is no longer available in Logos Cloud. 

Thanks for the info. I have confirmed my copy is gone from Cloud, and I'll perform a "Delete Unlicensed Resources".

Nathan Parker

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Tony Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 21 2016 12:04 PM

Good article on plagiarism.  Very informative!

http://contently.net/2016/02/16/resources/flowchart-will-save-plagiarizing/

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SU HAN | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2016 7:07 AM

Hi, This is Su Han, a Ph.D student of New Testament in Chicago theological Seminary. I would like to let you know that this incident actually has been ignited by a Facebook group of Koreans named, Anti-Plagiarism for Theological Books (신학서적 표절반대; https://www.facebook.com/groups/1602665126689416/).

Since Spring 2015 there were numerous theological books, mostly biblical commentaries, found (doubtfully) plagiarized through this FB group and one of the professors sued the FB group for defamation and damage. As the case was held in the court there were evidences by this professor showing that American commentaries are also full of plagiarism and O'Brien's Hebrew commentary was one of the exhibit submitted to the court. The news was submitted to Eerdmans and so you have witnessed what happened at Eerdmans and now this. Now, we are witnessing painful but fruitful outcomes.

I hope this helps in your understanding the background of the recent developments.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 6:05 AM

Jesse Myers:

Hi Jack, we are not revoking licenses, so you are free to keep the current EEC James. You will also receive the replacement EEC James when it is complete (we are currently working on acquiring a new author).   

Jesse sir,

I apologize for resurrecting an old thread but I came across this today and didn't notice it before.  If we own the original Varner volume, when a new James volume comes out we will get that one as well (and can keep our old volume too)?  I just want to make sure I'm reading that correctly.  I went to the EEC page on Logos today but James isn't listed at the bottom of the page (where you can see the things you own w/o astericks).

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 8:42 AM

Yes, you can keep the Varner resource and you will get the new James commentary when it ships freely.

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Jesse Myers | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:20 AM

Mattilo,

 

Yes, your understanding is correct: we will unlock the new commentary to owners of the current James volume when it is complete. We've not yet announced a new author for the volume, but we are in the midst of that process. These are significant volumes so it will be some time yet before the final product is shipped.

Thank you, 

Jesse

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:49 AM

Thank you! I know it will take time. I do enjoy the series thus far

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 12:17 PM

David Kirk Davis:

Don't run Ellen G. White's books through a plagiarism checker. You wouldn't like the results. 

Running Ellen G (heretic) White through anything you will not like.

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André Kamphuis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 11 2017 2:18 AM

Jesse Myers:
We discovered that the volume contains a number of uncited and improperly cited passages from other works, blurring the distinction between quoted and original material.

I was just working on James 1:18, and I was truly surprised by what I saw comparing the (pulled) EEC volume by W. Varner and the Anchor Yale Bible commentary by L.T. Johnson. I only purchased the AYBC last month, so I wasn't fully aware of the seriousness of the issue in Varner's volume, but this is quite something. Even though the whole paragraph in the EEC seems taken from Johnson's commentary, there is no reference to it at all. 

I now understand that the issue was not just forgetting to cite another author, but presenting someone else's research and wording as his own. 

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SteveHD | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 11 2017 6:23 AM

I do not own AYBC (yet) so I probably would have missed this. I do have the James commentary. If I quote something from the James volume, giving credit to Varner, something like the example above, without knowing it actually came from someone else, am I in error? Would that harm my research credibility? Would I be better off never quoting the volume? Could Faithlife update the EEC volume to somehow show them (like strike them out with a footnote pointing to the original source)? Perhaps I would be better off not relying on it at all?

Maybe I am overthinking it but this popped into my head when I saw the post. I know just buy AYBC.

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 11 2017 8:31 AM

SteveHD:

I do not own AYBC (yet) so I probably would have missed this. I do have the James commentary. If I quote something from the James volume, giving credit to Varner, something like the example above, without knowing it actually came from someone else, am I in error? Would that harm my research credibility? Would I be better off never quoting the volume? Could Faithlife update the EEC volume to somehow show them (like strike them out with a footnote pointing to the original source)? Perhaps I would be better off not relying on it at all?

Maybe I am overthinking it but this popped into my head when I saw the post. I know just buy AYBC.

As an English teacher, I would say that you should not use the work at all in an academic paper.  Someone reading the paper would assume that you are unaware of the fact that the work has been discredited.  It would be like using spoiled milk in a recipe.  The end result is going to be tainted.

With that said, you should be able to use it for other nonacademic purposes, such as sermon prep, etc... 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 11 2017 9:53 AM

It's been a year, and I still don't understand this. I'd like to think, it's like walking out of the Walmart, forgetting to pay. I've done that. Have to scurry back in.

I can see having a chapter-draft, dumping big chunks of earlier commentators in, with the intent, to comment, and then erase the chunks. I do that a lot. It's very efficient.I could even see an assistant erroneously 'smoothing' the chunks, not knowing they're temporary pastes.  Trying to understand, here.

I guess, my trouble, is that in commentaries, you remember phrasing. I do. Then I search, as to why I remember that phrasing. Often, it's just a favorite point, that subject writers hang on to. 

I just can't see 'fraud'. ECC? Intensional? After a long caree?. Maybe there's no answer.


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williamvarner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 11 2017 10:13 AM
It was not intentional, but it was wrong. I copied into a third document for research and then pasted into my commentary, and sometimes overlooked then crediting the source. No excuse. I was wrong. I apologize to my readers. Logos/Faithlife was right in what they did. I have repaired the problems and a second edition which will be issued with a different publisher soon.

DrV
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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 11 2017 10:33 AM

williamvarner:
It was not intentional, but it was wrong. I copied into a third document for research and then pasted into my commentary, and sometimes overlooked then crediting the source. No excuse. I was wrong. I apologize to my readers. Logos/Faithlife was right in what they did. I have repaired the problems and a second edition which will be issued with a different publisher soon.

DrV

Thank you Doctor V. I really have enjoyed your commentary thus far as well as your mobile Ed course. I hope logos accepts your revised version but if not where can we preorder it? 

On an unrelated side note, I'm doing your OT survey from TMS at the moment which has also been entertaining thus far.

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