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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Oct 16 2016 7:48 PM

This search:  lemma:ἔπειτα NEAR lemma:εἶτα   should seem to return 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, but it doesn't:

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 16 2016 9:03 PM

Don't you need to switch to Basic mode to cross the verse boundary?

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 16 2016 9:20 PM

Hmm that did work. But is this how one intuitively expects search to work?

If I was hoping to get a sense of how Paul uses those adverbs together, I would have expected that search to cross verse boundaries automatically...

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 16 2016 9:42 PM

Each of the searches has a unit that it searches ... basic is an "article", Bible and morph are a "verse", Clause is a clause ... I don't know Syntax ...

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 16 2016 11:24 PM

This seems to me something that would be worth changing. 

Default behaviour for a Bible search, especially using the operator 'near' should span verse divisions, right?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 17 2016 12:48 AM

Andrew116:
Default behaviour for a Bible search, especially using the operator 'near' should span verse divisions, right?

The question is what is a better segment? If looking for two words do you really what to span a book? a chapter?

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 17 2016 1:26 AM

Surely the NEAR operator is able to filter it out. I'd be wanting to search for anytime they occur within a meaningful unit. As 1 Cor 15:23-24 demonstrates, this sometimes spans a verse division. 

In my mind, it's within 10-30 words, regardless of versification which dates back only a few centuries (in the NT anyway). 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 17 2016 2:47 AM

Something closer to your approach is being implemented in the beta morph grid search. I prefer to think in terms of pericope and sentence rather than chapter and verse but I understand why Logos defined it as they have.

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 17 2016 12:15 PM

i think the default behaviour here should be changed. Since Logos presents itself as a way to quickly do research into the text, I ran this search to see how these two words were used in proximity to each other, and would have come away from this search thinking it only occurs once...

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 18 2016 4:39 AM

Andrew116:
Surely the NEAR operator is able to filter it out.

The range of all operators is determined by the type of search --> verse in Bible & Morph, article/chapter in Basic. AND, OR, WITHIN, etc. are constrained to finding results within that division of the text. WITHIN & NEAR further constrain results by proximity e.g WITHIN 3 WORDS. NEAR is shorthand for WITHIN 48 CHARACTERS (abt. 8-10 words), so it may not suit all of your searches.

Syntax Search is a viable alternative as the range is not determined by verses and chapters, but by the grammatical Clauses or Phrases you specify. That would only give you 1 Cor 15:7, however, because that is the only place where they are related within a Clause!

So, for your purposes, you should perform a Basic search with Bible Text instead of All Text; where the range is a bible chapter.

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