March Madness & Women Writers

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2017 6:57 AM

Just thinking this logically to its end.

Say we have a women's bracket and a men's bracket.

Geno Auriemma, head coach of the University of Connecticut women's basketball team, would sweep the whole Women's tourney, and we'd find ourselves stuck with his lone book:
*Image result for pursuit of perfection

... nm

*Currently not in Vyrso or Logos

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Jordan Litchfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2017 7:00 AM

Sean:

One of the most stimulating things I've read in recent years is Katherine Sonderegger's Systematic Theology volume 1:

Yes, I've dipped into that book and she is excellent. As you say, hopefully the rest of the series will be available soon.

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2017 7:43 AM

Rosaria Champagne Butterfield

How blessed is the one whom Thou dost choose, and bring near to Thee(Psa 65:4a)

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2017 7:52 AM

JRS:

She has no books in Logos + 1 in Vyrso..

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2017 8:21 AM

scooter:

JRS:

She has no books in Logos + 1 in Vyrso..

YesYes

listening to her audio book "Secret thoughts of an Unlikely Convert."  Important voice in the discussion on faith and sexuality.  Need her books.

I would also like Dorothee Soelle (various spellings), but I do not see any monographs of hers within Logos.  Sad.

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Brandyn Whittington | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2017 10:19 AM

There are some excellent suggestions in this thread for our March Madness sales. Thank you to everyone that has commented for their feedback! I'll make sure our marketing team has some eyes on this to see what we can do.

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 24 2017 10:47 AM

Hello, everyone, and thanks again for the feedback. It's too late for us to change the authors to our March Madness bracket, but we do have some women in the line-up. Just a few more days until you find out who they are. Big Smile

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Average Joe | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 24 2017 11:24 AM

Kevin Olson:

In addition to having women authors, I would like to suggest a format that would allow authors from different traditions to get further into the tournament.  Have authors from the same traditions go head to head in different brackets.  That would mean that there would be at least some from each tradition that would receive the higher discounts, and each tradition would have a better chance of getting to the final four.  I recognize that I left out the SDA authors.  This is illustrative only.  Perhaps two of the smaller traditions would be merged for the tournament.    

I think that's a great idea. It's likely too late to implement for this year as I would wager they've already got the brackets mapped out by now, but I'd like to see that in the future.

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 24 2017 12:38 PM

Dale E Heath:

I'd vote for anyone who writes on good theology.

When will it start, March 1? Only 8 more days, yea!

Wouldn't it be great to have 100+ in the first round?

More important, wouldn't it be great to have every book for every author?

Dale Heath

I think this is the ultimate thing. When it comes to voting, I vote for the authors I think are the most helpful to my studies. Especially if they write things I want but at a price normally out of my reach. I've picked up some good things that way over the years.

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 24 2017 12:41 PM

Kevin Olson:
In addition to having women authors, I would like to suggest a format that would allow authors from different traditions to get further into the tournament.  Have authors from the same traditions go head to head in different brackets.  That would mean that there would be at least some from each tradition that would receive the higher discounts, and each tradition would have a better chance of getting to the final four.  I recognize that I left out the SDA authors.  This is illustrative only.  Perhaps two of the smaller traditions would be merged for the tournament.    

It's an interesting idea, but I wonder if FL might be worried about it igniting a denominational fight. If the community could work around that, this would be a good idea.

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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 25 2017 3:16 AM

A double elimination tournament would also allow those who lose in the first round to get a second chance. Works well in basketball.

Dale Heath

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 25 2017 4:37 AM

I am not trying to be the contradicting voice here, but I for one do not like this idea. For my part, I do not care what is the gender of the writer of a particular resource. What I value is the quality of the content of the resource. What I want to see in MM is the opportunity to get the most useful resources at a great discount. 

Now it is a fact that there are more eminent male writers in biblical studies and theology than there are women, a direct byproduct of the uneasy topic of gender roles in ministry which is not without impact in academic circles as well. There are, however, very good female scholars out there (e.g., Adela Yarbro Collins, Joyce Baldwin, Adele Berlin, Adele Reinhartz [ sidenote: name your daughter Adele if you want to increase her chances of becoming a biblical scholar ]). At the end of the day, however, what matters is not whether they should be included because they are women, but because their work are top-notch.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I would hate for MM to become political and pursue the "inclusion" agenda. If we start down that road why stop there: let's make sure we have Black Americans, at least one native or Latino, representatives from British, German, and third-world countries scholarship, and we could slide into even more controversial such as someone with a different sexual "orientation". The same thing can happen with the denominational approach, which has greater validity in relation to FL's effort to reach out to different traditions, but again, an ecumenical agenda could take precedence over sheer usefulness of the resources.

Disclaimer: I am not trying to take anyone to task or open a debate. I am just stating my response to the idea of the OP and thank him for his suggestion even though I disagree with it.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 25 2017 4:59 AM

Trying to think through what the desire for denominational representation might translate into, I find myself uncertain that this would work out well.

Let's take for instance the SDA. Based on what I have seen written on the forums, I think they are quite a minority among users. If that is the case, perhaps one SDA resource could be featured, but it would probably not pass the first round. 

I would think that this would be the case also for other denominations/traditions that have less adherents among the logos users. 

This would mean that (1) if inclusion is for inclusion sake, I guess it would work though I find the idea somewhat silly. (2) If inclusion is to give minorities a chance to get good discounts on their denominational resources, they will probably never have a shot at a great discount; (3) Once all the minorities' work which are not priority on the wishlist of the majority are eliminated, there will remain less resources that the majority wants in the tournament. 

As a sidenote: I often do not know what is the denominational origin of many of the writers I use and most of the time, I don't care. What matters to me, again, is how useful the resource is. A resource that is truly learned and insightful should be useful to all. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 25 2017 7:44 AM

Now, Francis, I know you're not naive. Your disclaimer rings hollow, especially since Logos already slotted the participants. No need for a disclaimer. White guys are fine along with a uniform northern European perspective. 


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Jordan Litchfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 2 2017 7:22 AM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

... we do have some women in the line-up. Just a few more days until you find out who they are. Big Smile

Um.... Unless I've missed someone, it appears that there is only 1 woman listed in the bracket!!

Maybe we can do better next year?

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Jordan Litchfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 2 2017 7:33 AM

Francis:
I am not trying to be the contradicting voice here, but I for one do not like this idea. For my part, I do not care what is the gender of the writer of a particular resource. What I value is the quality of the content of the resource. What I want to see in MM is the opportunity to get the most useful resources at a great discount. 

Francis, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I too am interested in the quality of the content of the resource. However, part of the reason male works are more well-known is in part due to the far fewer opportunities women have historically had to demonstrate their skills and thoughts in theology and biblical studies.

When I look at the current MM brackets, it looks decidedly androcentric. For some, that is not a concern. For me, it is. As you yourself have stated, there are excellent female scholars, but this is overlooked in the current format. Furthermore, if what is decided is worthy of being included is the popularity or impact of the author, then women are already at a disadvantage since they have historically had nowhere near the opportunities and continue to not get the exposure, as this year's March Madness glaringly demonstrates.

Grace and peace.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 2 2017 7:40 AM

Jordan Litchfield:

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

... we do have some women in the line-up. Just a few more days until you find out who they are. Big Smile

Um.... Unless I've missed someone, it appears that there is only 1 woman listed in the bracket!!

Maybe we can do better next year?

I think they may be participating in the 24 hour head to head competitions?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 2 2017 7:54 AM

The one where you ask Faithlife to send you lots of emails.


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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 2 2017 7:59 AM

Denise:

The one where you ask Faithlife to send you lots of emails.

Can’t find your favorite author in this year’s matchups? They may be featured in one of our new 24-Hour Face-Offs. Throughout Logos March Madness, we’re featuring select authors not included in the main competition in one-on-one, 24-hour knock-down drag-outs. At the end of each matchup, the winner’s works will go on sale!  These sudden face-offs aren’t scheduled, and can happen at any time, check back often, or sign up below to be notified when they occur.

That's it!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 2 2017 9:02 AM

Well, Paul, maybe so. But the notification message and the well-read Annals of Faithlife Marketing make me dubious. That's an odd word.


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