NASB in Paragraph Format

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 4:48 PM | Locked

When will this hit mobile?

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Andrew J. Horn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 7:04 PM | Locked

Sorry to rain on everybody, but the new format is a pain to read and caught me completely off guard:

1) The verse numbers get lost in the paragraph text and look too much like the note #s

2) The visual filter wastes a blank line between (most) every verse which means less text on the screen

3) The pericopes fall inline with the verses rather than centered on their lines (plus they don't have blank lines around them) so they get lost in the text rather than stand out

4) The visual filter loses the chapter heading completely (minor, but annoying)

Please include this change in the release notes. Otherwise, why bother with release notes?

Can you offer a way to get back to how it was? Or at least, get rid of the blank lines between the verses with visual effects turned on.

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 7:48 PM | Locked

Andrew,

I see some of your concerns- if they change the note number color to red or green, or maybe verse numbers- that would eliminate a lot of ambiguity there.

I believe in L3- you could change the verse number color- wish that would come back- I prefer either lite red or green personally.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 7:50 PM | Locked

alabama24:

Hi Gavin! Smile

This is a somewhat frequent request. Unfortunately I don't think it is likely to happen. The base text of the NASB is in a verse by verse format, per the translators decision. There is a special copyrighted version available in paragraph formatting, but it would be considered a different resource. <If> it were to come, it would require a secondary purchase plus it would not have a reverse interlinear associated with it. Would you still be interested? I think it would be a tough sell for many users. It would be nice though! Yes

You may be right but I own strong tied NASB in both Accordance and Olivetree formats that have always allowed for paragraph or verse by verse viewing. I have owned original language tied NASB in both for over 15 years. Like I said you may be right but paragraph view is not a new item in the digital world. Indeed OnlineBible I have owned the NAS95 with strongs numbering since 1996 and it has markings to indicate paragraphing (and if you copy it for pasting it is in paragraph form, so if FL has a contract for verse only it is a very odd contract.

-dan

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 8:03 PM | Locked

Andrew J. Horn:

Sorry to rain on everybody, but the new format is a pain to read and caught me completely off guard:

1) The verse numbers get lost in the paragraph text and look too much like the note #s

2) The visual filter wastes a blank line between (most) every verse which means less text on the screen

3) The pericopes fall inline with the verses rather than centered on their lines (plus they don't have blank lines around them) so they get lost in the text rather than stand out

4) The visual filter loses the chapter heading completely (minor, but annoying)

Please include this change in the release notes. Otherwise, why bother with release notes?

Can you offer a way to get back to how it was? Or at least, get rid of the blank lines between the verses with visual effects turned on.

I CHANGED MY PAPER TO WHITE IT IS A LITTLE MORE OBVIOUS THE NOTE NUMBERS AND LETTERS ARE BLUE.

SORRY FOR THE CAPS- WORKING IN THEM RIGHT NOW TO LAZY TO RETYPE Big Smile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 8:22 PM | Locked

Dan Francis:

You may be right...

Probably not. If you read through this thread, you will see that out-of-the-blue, FL made the change. I don't know what made them make the change now, but it has already been done! (With a few complaints already registered). 

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 8:26 PM | Locked

Gavin Murphy:

Hello all, 

I heard back from Lockman today: 

"We don’t have license restrictions regarding paragraph vs. verse format and our texts are coded for either way. We assume that when Logos converted it for their software they did not code it for both verse and paragraph format.

We’ll contact them and let them know about the issue and see if they will re-process the text. We don’t know what is involved with that process on their end."

This would be awesome!!!

This is what pushed Faithlife to make the change, I would believe. 

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 8:39 PM | Locked

Jon Bradley:

Gavin Murphy:

Hello all, 

I heard back from Lockman today: 

"We don’t have license restrictions regarding paragraph vs. verse format and our texts are coded for either way. We assume that when Logos converted it for their software they did not code it for both verse and paragraph format.

We’ll contact them and let them know about the issue and see if they will re-process the text. We don’t know what is involved with that process on their end."

This would be awesome!!!

This is what pushed Faithlife to make the change, I would believe. 

That, and from the forums it looks like Logos users have been asking for the paragraph format for like 7 years. There are posts as old as 2010 asking for this. I actually think the change makes the NASB easier to read and so much more inviting.

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 9:56 PM | Locked

Kiyah:

Jon Bradley:

Gavin Murphy:

Hello all, 

I heard back from Lockman today: 

"We don’t have license restrictions regarding paragraph vs. verse format and our texts are coded for either way. We assume that when Logos converted it for their software they did not code it for both verse and paragraph format.

We’ll contact them and let them know about the issue and see if they will re-process the text. We don’t know what is involved with that process on their end."

This would be awesome!!!

This is what pushed Faithlife to make the change, I would believe. 

That, and from the forums it looks like Logos users have been asking for the paragraph format for like 7 years. There are posts as old as 2010 asking for this. I actually think the change makes the NASB easier to read and so much more inviting.

I agree. While I have seen some copies of the NASB in verse-by-verse format, it hasn't been all of them. In fact, all but one copy of the NASB I own (physical copies, that is) are in paragraph format. I find it much easier to read and follow. 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 30 2017 10:07 PM | Locked

I am not so impressed by what has happened to the old verse at a time view. 

Extraneous space between verses if one retains non-Bible text (which I want to do).

Here is an example with non-Bible text enabled:

There are blank lines dividing verses that cover a single sentence. Not good.

Here is the same text with non-Bible text not enabled:

What I want (and I imagine almost everyone else would want) is for the text to look like the lower example when non-Bible text is enabled. That will come pretty close to what we had before paragraph formatting was added in.

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 2:41 AM | Locked

Yep- has a few hiccups but I'll take it- I have been using nasb77 for years for the paragraph view, so I'll work with it, maybe as time moves on, and there is enough request/ complaints they will address some of the issues with it.

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Davy Wang | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 5:25 AM | Locked

One question, the mobile version of NASB95 in Android/iOS platform will not release the update to keep the original or will receive the update soon?

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Jerry Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 5:34 AM | Locked

Andrew J. Horn:

1) The verse numbers get lost in the paragraph text and look too much like the note #s

2) The visual filter wastes a blank line between (most) every verse which means less text on the screen

3) The pericopes fall inline with the verses rather than centered on their lines (plus they don't have blank lines around them) so they get lost in the text rather than stand out

4) The visual filter loses the chapter heading completely (minor, but annoying)

Please include this change in the release notes. Otherwise, why bother with release notes?

Can you offer a way to get back to how it was? Or at least, get rid of the blank lines between the verses with visual effects turned on.

I too concur . . . needs some revision . . .

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 6:15 AM | Locked

Hello all, 

I agree. Visual filters need tweaked in general. The "text only" should not leave gaps where headings are and such. It leaves way too much white space.

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 6:19 AM | Locked

@alabama24: Do you allow messaging on Faithlife? I can't seem to message you. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 6:37 AM | Locked

Davy Wang:

One question, the mobile version of NASB95 in Android/iOS platform will not release the update to keep the original or will receive the update soon?

Resources on mobile require special updates to the resource for mobile and/or an update the the software itself. Typically resources are pushed to mobile shortly after it is released on desktop. I expect this will happen soon(ish), but I have no idea how quickly. If a software update is needed, it may be a few weeks. 

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Davy Wang | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 6:41 AM | Locked

Got it. Thank you for your kindly reply.Big Smile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 6:58 AM | Locked

Gavin Murphy:
@alabama24: Do you allow messaging on Faithlife? I can't seem to message you. 

Apparently not. I spent a few minutes trying to figure it out, and trying to send you a message with no success. I don't use the FL website very often. I find it confusing and difficult to use. On a related note: I see that I sent a FL employee a message a couple weeks ago... which has yet to be responded too. Perhaps FL employees don't use it much either. Wink

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 8:50 AM | Locked

Thanks Alabama! Any chance you could chime in on my post over here? Sorry to be off topic but I can't message you either Sad

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/99300/904922.aspx#904922 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:03 AM | Locked

Gavin Murphy:

Thanks Alabama! Any chance you could chime in on my post over here? Sorry to be off topic but I can't message you either Sad

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/99300/904922.aspx#904922

Gavin (and other newer posters to the Forum), If you enter a "space" after a URL it will become "clickable"

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/99300/904922.aspx#904922  

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