Part 2 of the Matthew Bates interview on "allegiance alone" is on theLAB

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Tavis Bohlinger | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, May 23 2017 1:12 PM

Matthew Bates and I talk about the implications of his “allegiance alone” proposal on eschatology and the five solas, in Part 2 of his Hot Seat interview:

https://academic.logos.com/bates-in-the-hot-seat-pistis-as-allegiance-part-2/

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 23 2017 4:11 PM

I believe John Macarthur has more than adequately addressed this issue, The Gospel According to Jesus, The Gospel According to the Apostles, and the latest The Gospel According to Paul.

The Bates volume lends nothing to the discussion since his theological slant does not even embrace the five solas.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 24 2017 4:48 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:

I believe John Macarthur has more than adequately addressed this issue, The Gospel According to Jesus, The Gospel According to the Apostles, and the latest The Gospel According to Paul.

The Bates volume lends nothing to the discussion since his theological slant does not even embrace the five solas.

And who's to say Johnny Mac is right? Just because we don't agree with an author doesn't mean we need to dismiss their works. I definitely think McArthur has salvation issues wrong, especially with his thief on the cross excuse or his "sinner's prayer" nonsense, but that doesn't mean I don't use the practical stuff found in his writings.

 I love the way David Platt exposes the so-called "sinners prayers"  calls it "Kool-Aid gospel" but I don't agree with other stuff he leaves out;  nevertheless, that doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss his writings  just because we don't agree on certain theological things.

 Hey even Calvin, I don't agree with his TULIP, but I've found a lot of good things that are practical in his writings.

 So let's not get so close minded with the guy, because he might just be able to teach you a thing or two.

DAL

PS.  Yes I believe that Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to those who obey,  because he himself learn to be obedient (Hebrews 5:8-9)  and left us an example of obedience for us to follow (Philippians 2:5-11; Matthew 7:21; Luke 6:46; James 2:17-26).  If you truly believe Jesus you will comply!  If not James 2:19 applies to you too.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 24 2017 5:55 AM

DAL:

Whyndell Grizzard:

I believe John Macarthur has more than adequately addressed this issue, The Gospel According to Jesus, The Gospel According to the Apostles, and the latest The Gospel According to Paul.

The Bates volume lends nothing to the discussion since his theological slant does not even embrace the five solas.

And who's to say Johnny Mac is right? Just because we don't agree with an author doesn't mean we need to dismiss their works. I definitely think McArthur has salvation issues wrong, especially with his thief on the cross excuse or his "sinner's prayer" nonsense, but that doesn't mean I don't use the practical stuff found in his writings.

 I love the way David Platt exposes the so-called "sinners prayers"  calls it "Kool-Aid gospel" but I don't agree with other stuff he leaves out;  nevertheless, that doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss his writings  just because we don't agree on certain theological things.

 Hey even Calvin, I don't agree with his TULIP, but I've found a lot of good things that are practical in his writings.

 So let's not get so close minded with the guy, because he might just be able to teach you a thing or two.

DAL

PS.  Yes I believe that Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to those who obey,  because he himself learn to be obedient (Hebrews 5:8-9)  and left us an example of obedience for us to follow (Philippians 2:5-11; Matthew 7:21; Luke 6:46; James 2:17-26).  If you truly believe Jesus you will comply!  If not James 2:19 applies to you too.

And your welcome to your point of view.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 24 2017 6:46 AM

You too 😁

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 24 2017 8:45 AM

I've read through both interviews and have ordered the book.  I think it's going to be a very interesting read.  I don't know where I'll land on this issue after the dust settles (if it does), but I have a feeling it will prove deserving of consideration.  I'll also be interested in the responses (both pro and con) that I expect will come from other scholars who share their thoughts on the subject after reading Matthew's book.

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