Thanks for the Exegetical Summaries updates this year! (and a further suggestion)

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Sep 5 2017 12:26 PM

Logos has been actively updating the Exegetical summaries series this year, thanks a lot!

https://www.logos.com/product/38965/exegetical-summaries-series 

But so far only the Malachi has this very nice functionality: when hovering the mouse on a link, it shows the correct Bible version (here the NIV and also my top Bible version). Next time when FL updates this series, I wish they could add this functionality to all!

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 12:54 PM

Excellent I hadn't noticed this, but it sure does increase the value of this series

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 2:13 PM

This is very useful. Thanks FL.

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 8:52 PM

Veli Voipio:

Logos has been actively updating the Exegetical summaries series this year, thanks a lot!

https://www.logos.com/product/38965/exegetical-summaries-series 

YesYes

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 3 2017 12:19 AM

Well, this morning I received the updated version of Malachi, and it gave me a very bad surprise: the best feature is lost!

Is there any way to get the old version back?

Is there any way to change the title of this thread - for example update=downgrade (the Microsoft way) ?

I hope Faithlife will find someone answer to this disappointment here before the sun rises in Bellingham! Super Angry

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 26 2018 9:23 AM

This seems like a reasonable request. I'll put an update into motion.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2018 7:54 PM

I see that some of the Exegetical Summaries link directly to commentaries, but some do not. I did a search in the forums but did not find any specific info on this. Has Faithlife committed to updating the entire series to link directly to commentaries? 

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 6 2018 7:20 AM

Mike Tourangeau:

I see that some of the Exegetical Summaries link directly to commentaries, but some do not. I did a search in the forums but did not find any specific info on this. Has Faithlife committed to updating the entire series to link directly to commentaries? 

Yes. That is the plan. They're not being updated as fast as I'd hoped but they've all been approved and are at various stages of progress.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 6 2018 10:59 AM

Kyle G. Anderson:
They're not being updated as fast as I'd hoped

So we must be patient.

Kyle G. Anderson:
but they've all been approved and are at various stages of progress.

That is good to hear.

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LimJK | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2018 3:10 AM

Kyle G. Anderson:

Yes. That is the plan. They're not being updated as fast as I'd hoped but they've all been approved and are at various stages of progress.

Yes +1 Thank You!

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2018 4:20 PM

So will this upgrade be fully functional? If not FL needs to let the purchaser be aware of it. I can't imagine they would release a product knowing the past issues with this product. I don't think they will, but if it's not fully functional, FL NEEDS TO let the buyer be appraised about them.

I'm planning to buy the second volume of John, but not before these issues are resolved.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 7:10 AM

Milkman:

So will this upgrade be fully functional? If not FL needs to let the purchaser be aware of it. I can't imagine they would release a product knowing the past issues with this product. I don't think they will, but if it's not fully functional, FL NEEDS TO let the buyer be appraised about them.

I'm planning to buy the second volume of John, but not before these issues are resolved.

mm.

Exegetical Summaries have always been functional. They've never been not released according to our baseline standards for commentaries. Due to customer feedback we have created processes for this particular series that make the tagging for this series go beyond our normal processes for how a commentary might be tagged.

The volume you linked was produced according to our new, enhanced standards.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 7:14 AM

Kyle G. Anderson:
Due to customer feedback we have created processes for this particular series that make the tagging for this series go beyond our normal processes for how a commentary might be tagged.

Kyle, this is much appreciated. To help me understand, could you summarize how the tagging is different and goes beyond the normal process?

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 8:21 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Kyle G. Anderson:
Due to customer feedback we have created processes for this particular series that make the tagging for this series go beyond our normal processes for how a commentary might be tagged.

Kyle, this is much appreciated. To help me understand, could you summarize how the tagging is different and goes beyond the normal process?

Absolutely!

Here's what happened and how we responded.

  • Exegetical Summaries was produced many, many years ago. When comparing other translations, the commentary used abbreviations for Bible translations and commentary series. Rather than use a normal abbreviation tag (e.g. when you hover over the abbreviation "NIV" the popup would read New International Version) which is completely standard for all our books--if there is an abbreviation page in the front of the book those abbreviations get tagged as abbreviations--we did something different. We made the abbreviations links (e.g. if there was an NIV abbreviation for John 3:16 we would link you to John 3:16 of the NIV).
  • Some of the books we produced in the early 2000's were sort of the wild west in terms of standardization. When we do full updates of resources we bring them up to our current standards. This is normally a very good thing but it went wrong here.
  • About a year ago I put the series in for an update, this was to add further linking and to feed a feature set. Unfortunately by updating it to our current standards it broke a feature people really, really liked: the abbreviations were no longer links, they were just abbreviation popups!
  • This was an understandable frustration. The update felt like a regression. So we began the process of changing the abbreviations back to links.
  • I also updated our production processes so that the Exegetical Summaries series becomes its own special thing that will always deviate from our Standard Operating Procedure of how we tag abbreviations.
  • Since this happened I think we've produced or are in the process of producing two or three new volumes. These have been produced according to the new standards for Exegetical Summaries (the standards people like!).

I hope that clears things up.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 10:45 AM

Thanks Kyle for the thorough explanation and for your team's commitment to continue to make the Exegetical Summaries better which, in turn, makes Logos even better!

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Tom Reynolds | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 10:54 AM

Great to hear. This series is the best single series you offer.

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 11:28 AM

Kyle,

Was linking to BAG going to change to linking to BADG?

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 11:32 AM

Kyle,

Why not pick up the series "A Semantic and Structural Analysis"  I use these in print often, and these would be a great addition to L8.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 12:24 PM

thanks Kyle,

So when you say:

Due to customer feedback we have created processes for this particular series that make the tagging for this series go beyond our normal processes for how a commentary might be tagged.

Can we be rest assured that these Summaries will meet if not exceed the high standards that FL puts in all resources? I'm speaking directly about the other Summaries in this series that are 'fully functional' meaning all tags and hyper links are operative.

Kyle G. Anderson:

Milkman:

So will this upgrade be fully functional? If not FL needs to let the purchaser be aware of it. I can't imagine they would release a product knowing the past issues with this product. I don't think they will, but if it's not fully functional, FL NEEDS TO let the buyer be appraised about them.

I'm planning to buy the second volume of John, but not before these issues are resolved.

mm.

Exegetical Summaries have always been functional. They've never been not released according to our baseline standards for commentaries. Due to customer feedback we have created processes for this particular series that make the tagging for this series go beyond our normal processes for how a commentary might be tagged.

The volume you linked was produced according to our new, enhanced standards.

mm.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 12:53 PM

Bobby Terhune:

Kyle,

Was linking to BAG going to change to linking to BADG?

We get asked this from time to time in other contexts and I'll try answer this two ways: one that is how we handle it generally and the other in regards to Exegetical Summaries.

  1. General: We won't change a citation. i.e. if a resource references a particular work we're not going to update the resource so it points to a different work even if their related. BAG and BADG are particularly tricky in this regard since they don't have a one-to-one paged relationship (i.e. page 60 isn't the same in either). Thus, if a resource references BAG we'll tag it that way. This is great for the lucky ones that have it but not great for the rest. We've heard the request to make it available for sale and its something that we would like to have happen but hasn't been able to happen yet.
  2. Exegetical Summaries: What I said generally applies here as well but I want to add one piece of additional information. When I mentioned earlier that we changed links to abbreviations and are in the process of changing them back to links this was true if there was a verifiable target. Back to my original example of the an abbreviation for NIV on John 3:16: we're able to link to John 3:16 because we have a known destination (NIV) and a known target (John 3:16) which a viable anchor point (a milestone for John 3:16). This is true for commentaries as well. An abbreviation of WBC used on John 3:16 tells us the resource (WBC Commentary on John) and a known target with a viable anchor point (John 3:16). An abbreviation like BAG tells us a known destination (BAG) but doesn't provide us a known target with a viable anchor point. Thus these were abbreviations, remained abbreviations, and will continue to be abbreviations.

Hope that helps!

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