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Jeromy Blomquist (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 1 2017 8:03 AM

New Features in Notes

It has been a while since we have shipped a lot of changes. I am pleased to give an update on the progress we have made toward the new notes experience. I hope that you are pleased with the progress.

What’s new:

Sidebar (left panel)

  • Added new facets: Type, Resource, and Language

    • Type: Notes and highlights

    • Resource: ESV, Word Biblical Commentary, Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, Christ and Culture Revisited, etc.

    • Language: Headwords from Greek or Hebrew lexicons

  • Updated facet order

  • Added hamburger menu to open/collapse sidebar

    • Sidebar can also be collapsed by dragging the list view to the left

Listview (center panel)

  • Redesigned listview (i.e. we moved the editor to its own panel)

  • Redesigned note cards

    • Added blue selection indicator around selected note

    • Anchors are more apparent

  • Added note count to breadcrumb bar

Note Editor *NEW* (right panel)

  • Added ability to open the editor from selecting an existing note or creating a new note

  • Added an ‘X’ button to collapse the note editor

  • Added kebab menu

    • Added delete button

  • Added ability to make a highlight a note (Select a highlight in the list view and then add text in the editor)

  • Added full quotes/references

 

Other Improvements to Notes

  • Panels are resizable

  • Added “New Note”  button

  • Added new note drop-down menu

    • New note

    • Create a note on [reference, or selected text]

    • Highlight  [reference, or selected text]

  • Default font size changed to 15px

  • Added ability to edit a note from the context menu

  • Made Notes a multi-instance panel

  • Fixed mismatched timestamps of "created" and "modified" facets

  • Fixed facet titles

  • Backend support is in progress to migrate notes from the old notes system to the new (i.e. sync with desktop and mobile)

Other News:

  • Fixed scaling bug with media player controls

  • Font size preferences save with last interacted resource panel

  • Fixed chapter character order in Hebrew Bibles

  • Created courses.faithlife.com and redirected courses.logos.com

Soli Deo Gloria,

Jeromy Blomquist | Academic Program Manager | jeromy.blomquist@faithlife.com

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 1 2017 8:37 AM

Thanks for the update, Jeromy!

I had tried out the "Access my course" button on the store's product pages, but it either seems to bring me to the home page (cards) or Bible + Commentary view.

Is that the correct intent, or should it open the courses tool to the correct plan?

Grateful for all the progress being made, and looking forward to these improvements coming to desktop and mobile platforms!

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Petah, 

The correct behavior would send you to the course tool with your available courses on the top. It should automatically default to this, but if you have changed your layout Faithlife Courses will remember. There may also be some additional things we need to work out when directing from logos.com.

Thank you for reporting!

-Jeromy

Soli Deo Gloria,

Jeromy Blomquist | Academic Program Manager | jeromy.blomquist@faithlife.com

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 1 2017 10:19 AM

Thanks for the update! Great stuff!!

What triggers the "Language" facet? It's not visible and creating selection highlights does not cause the Language facet to show and there is no option to anchor a note to the headword in the right-click menu.

Creating a note without note text displays a small blank popup. Maybe should popup something like <<Empty note>>.

Under "Resource" facet. Abbreviated titles need a popup with full title.

Popup for numbers next to facet that show "N current/N Total" do not seem to be calculating correctly.

Facet list is getting long enough now to make a filter box desirable.

Will Dates always be show me everything from x til now? Or will there be other ranges? Show me what I wrote that is older than 1 year. Show me what I wrote last Jun-Jul. Don't know how desirable that would be; just throwing it out there. (Mainly because I was wondering about bulk operations.) Select certain facets, then select a subset of those notes to bulk add a tag, for example.

Changing layout to a different number of columns and then resizing the three sections of the note window goes wonky.

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Thanks for the feedback Randy!

Most of the things you pointed out we are aware of and have planned in the future (like tooltips for elipsized facets, facet search box, date labels, etc). There are still some polish needed, like the Langauge facet, somehow that got dropped when the update was shipped. 

We are continuing to push forward!

-Jeromy

Soli Deo Gloria,

Jeromy Blomquist | Academic Program Manager | jeromy.blomquist@faithlife.com

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 2 2017 6:33 AM

I haven't even bothered looking at notes on the web app since they don't sync with the others. So I have a question.

I know I can close the left most column (you're calling it "facets" strange name BTW) with the menu that looks like 3 vertical lines above it (you called it hamburger menu which is common name in mobile). However, the middle column. Will I be able to close or resize that. It's huge and is there I guess just to show me notes I have. But It takes up so much space that I'd like to dedicate to my notes while I'm editing them. 

Also, will notes created in this Notes system be migrated to the new syncing version when it ships sometime in 2028? <g>

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 2 2017 6:48 AM

Kevin A. Purcell:
However, the middle column. Will I be able to close or resize that

You can resize the middle column by dragging the right edge (you can also drag the column separator to the right of the "facets"

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 2 2017 7:40 AM

I don't see myself test driving the web app every time there is an update to figure out how close it is to being usable as a legitimate alternative to the desktop app. What I would like to know is whether Faithlife has given itself a timeline to achieve this and will let us know when we are there. 

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Alan Palmer (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 2 2017 12:50 PM

Francis:

I don't see myself test driving the web app every time there is an update to figure out how close it is to being usable as a legitimate alternative to the desktop app. What I would like to know is whether Faithlife has given itself a timeline to achieve this and will let us know when we are there. 

The hard part to that request, Francis, is that "legitimate alternative" is subjective. Personally, I find myself using both the web app and desktop app at different times and for different reasons.

Our focus right now is on notes (you can see some of that in our most recent release). We continue to listen to user feedback, and we share the desire to start syncing notes from the web app to other platforms; thus we have prioritized that work.

If there are other things that continue to prevent you from using the web app as you'd like, please continue providing that feedback and we will do our best to take that into account.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 2 2017 1:32 PM

Alan Palmer (Faithlife):
Our focus right now is on notes... and we share the desire to start syncing notes from the web app to other platforms; thus we have prioritized that work.

What is the plan for roll-out? This is the biggest change I believe I've seen since I started using Logos as far as potential impact, by far. I know many people have TONS of notes and I know that they are critically important to them. Just curious about how safe the roll-out will be. Not just bugs (there won't be any), but User expectations? Changes to workflow? Full feature parity with old system?

Will the new & old notes exists side-by-side for a while? Will there be a roll-back plan? An extended beta? Followed by an Opt-in for experienced forum members with lots of notes that don't normally beta?

I'm sure you've put a lot more thought in to the roll-out than I have and an answer isn't necessary right now. But this seems like a HUGE change, with a potentially HUGE impact. And I'm just worrying out lout. But also looking forward to seeing it evolve.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 3 2017 1:58 AM

Alan Palmer (Faithlife):
The hard part to that request, Francis, is that "legitimate alternative" is subjective.

Thanks, Alan, for your reply. I appreciate also that the current focus in development is on notes integration (and rightly so). 

I can also appreciate that there will be differences between the web and desktop app that will be left to users' appreciation and preferences and perhaps this is what you mean by the "subjective" aspect of my question.

I would hope that we can define more objectively an answer as "when I can do with the web app what I can do with the desktop app without loss of functionality".

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Alan Palmer (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 3 2017 11:29 AM

Francis:
perhaps this is what you mean by the "subjective"

Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I meant is that the statement "what I can do with the desktop app without loss of functionality" differs from person to person. It's a large tool steeped in years of features across many iterations and base package configurations. Our users are not singular in their use of all that the desktop application does for them.

I don't know if the two products will ever be at 100% full parity or if that is even a good goal to have. That said, we are doing our best to implement the most popular/useful features and making improvements to existing ones as we do.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 4 2017 2:49 AM

Alan Palmer (Faithlife):
I don't know if the two products will ever be at 100% full parity or if that is even a good goal to have.

What then is the intended use / goal for the web app? What's the "vision"?

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 4 2017 7:53 AM

The center column can't be adjusted yet. The center column when showing notes is too big at the smallest size. The notes column is not big enough.

Also no answer on whether current web app notes will migrate to the new system when it's available. If they will be available, I'm more likely to use it. But I won't till I learn that or till they finish notes.

Any info on this question Alan Palmer?

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Alan Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 4 2017 8:03 AM

Kevin A. Purcell:
whether current web app notes will migrate to the new system when it's available

The web app notes are the new system. Eventually desktop/mobile will migrate to this. 

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 6 2017 5:51 AM

Alan Palmer:

Kevin A. Purcell:
whether current web app notes will migrate to the new system when it's available

The web app notes are the new system. Eventually desktop/mobile will migrate to this. 

I know that eventually all will run the same system of notes. What I want to hear from Faithlife employee is if the notes I add to the Web app will be preserved in the new system or will they go away? I will not use the Web app regularly until I get confirmation from FL.

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Alan Palmer (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 6 2017 9:42 AM

Kevin, yes they are stored in the new system and will remain there.

Once we migrate existing notes users will see both notes taken now on the web app as well as previous desktop/mobile notes.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 6 2017 10:54 AM

Alan Palmer (Faithlife):

Kevin, yes they are stored in the new system and will remain there.

Once we migrate existing notes users will see both notes taken now on the web app as well as previous desktop/mobile notes.

That's very good news.

Yes

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Seth Copeland | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 20 2017 1:23 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:
The center column can't be adjusted yet. The center column when showing notes is too big at the smallest size. The notes column is not big enough.

Quick update: you should be able to adjust the size of the center column now. There is also a fullscreen button for the editor.

-Seth

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 20 2017 1:35 PM

Seth Copeland:

Kevin A. Purcell:
The center column can't be adjusted yet. The center column when showing notes is too big at the smallest size. The notes column is not big enough.

Quick update: you should be able to adjust the size of the center column now. There is also a fullscreen button for the editor.

-Seth

Yes it is somewhat resizable, but it has limits. I tried to make it as small as I wanted, but it stops at a point and won't go any smaller. But i do like the full screen editor. Put this system in the apps and full software and I'm ready to use it. I know, I know, it's coming. Not soon enough for me.

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