Tyndale Commentary Set - Problems with Pricing??

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Joshua Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 4 2018 4:17 AM

Andrew Malone:

Two quick updates on this thread, now that the Tyndale volumes are making a splash with the February sale (see this thread).

Paul N:

https://www.logos.com/product/138788/tyndale-commentaries-upgrade
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It may make sense that the 2 Volume Pslams was replaced due to "age", but more curious are other volumes replaced after 5 to 10 years.

TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.

book original replaced
Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013
Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011
Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014
Song of Songs
Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015
Jeremiah, Lamentations
Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012
Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017

The question has also been raised about Colin Kruse's revision of John (2003, rev. 2017). I'm guessing the answer is as simple as others have suggested: the revision has occurred too recently to be included. I'm pretty confident of this because neither does the set include two other recent, 2017 volumes: Lindsay Wilson on Proverbs and Mary Evans on Judges and Ruth. I guess we're just lucky that Eckhard Schnabel got his Mark volume out earlier in the year.

I'm a little confused by this list. How many commentaries (in the series) are there currently for each book in the Bible?

For example, according to the product listings:

  • Leviticus (Harrison, 2008)
  • Deuteronomy (Thompson, 2008)
  • Psalms 1-72 (Kidner, 2008)
  • Psalms 73-150 (Kidner, 1975)
  • Song of Songs (Carr, 2008)
  • Jeremiah, Lamentations (Harrison, 2008)
  • Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi (Baldwin, 2008)
  • Mark (Cole, 2008)
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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 4 2018 5:13 AM

Andrew Malone:

TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.

book original replaced
Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013
Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011
Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014
Song of Songs
Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015
Jeremiah, Lamentations
Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012
Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017

Library shows one more replacement plus two revisions:

book original update
Esther Baldwin, 1984 Reid, 2008
2 Corinthians Kruse, 1987 Kruse, 2015
James Moo, 1985 Moo, 2015

Thankful Year, Series, and Author prefixes can be added to Titles so can see years between revision/replacement.

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Joshua Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 4 2018 5:34 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Andrew Malone:

TOTC and TNTC volumes can appear difficult to date, because they were all repackaged around 2008. But all the replacement volumes in this upgrade set are significantly newer: 30–40 years newer and not merely 5–10 years.

book original replaced
Leviticus Harrison, 1980 Sklar, 2013
Deuteronomy Thompson, 1974 Woods, 2011
Psalms Kidner, 1973, 1975 Longman, 2014
Song of Songs
Carr, 1984 Duguid, 2015
Jeremiah, Lamentations
Harrison, 1973 Lalleman, 2013
Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
Baldwin, 1972 Hill, 2012
Mark Cole, 1961, rev. 1989 Schnabel, 2017

Library shows one more replacement plus two revisions:

book original update
Esther Baldwin, 1984 Reid, 2008
2 Corinthians Kruse, 1987 Kruse, 2015
James Moo, 1985 Moo, 2015

Thankful Year, Series, and Author prefixes can be added to Titles so can see years between revision/replacement.

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Wow. Did you add the prefixes manually?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 4 2018 6:08 AM

Joshua Tan:
Wow. Did you add the prefixes manually?

Yes, see reply => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/139386/890581.aspx#890581 (usually include Author in Title prefix)

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Andrew Malone | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 5:31 PM

Joshua Tan:

I'm a little confused by this list. How many commentaries (in the series) are there currently for each book in the Bible?

Yes, Joshua, the list is quite confusing. KS4J introduces some helpful language. Some volumes (e.g. Deuteronomy, Esther, Proverbs Mark) are being replaced; a new author is writing a new volume. Others are being revised, with the same author updating their own work (e.g. John, 2 Corinthians). So counting or listing them isn't a simple task.

As I noted earlier, this is further confused by the 2008 repackaging. The original volume on Deuteronomy (by Thompson) was first published in 1974. But, as you've noticed, the Logos version often provides only the 2008 re-release date. That gives rise to the sense that a new volume on the same book (by Woods) in 2013 is surprisingly hasty.

My own additional confusion is that I've got two Logos copies of most of the old versions. Perhaps the original UK version has now been supplemented by the US release? That may have been naturally gifted to me, or I may have picked up the other release when buying a few additional volumes at some point. Any clever insights welcome. (I'll have to trawl KS4J's list to see if there are hints... Wink)

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 3:41 PM

Andrew Malone:
My own additional confusion is that I've got two Logos copies of most of the old versions.

The LLS number & date at the bottom of the resource Information page should give some insights.

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Andrew Malone | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 6:04 PM

Thanks, Dave. Yes, now that I look, one version gives its file ID and filename as the series/volume and the other lists the same info with a US suffix. For example, TOTC20PR and TOTC20PRUS.

Now that I've had a moment to explore a couple of other differences, there are a few incongruities. Unsure whether the US set or (the one that I'll call) the UK edition is preferable:

  • different production dates; the UK edition is older (2010 file) while the US release is more recently updated (2016)
  • ironically, then, older UK release has better corrections (e.g. series editor's name at the end of the General Preface) and more internal linking to other Logos resources
  • conversely, newer US release has added newer metadata (e.g. Popular Highlights; Timeline Events)
  • US version gives a fuller Copyright page (although any info common to both is identical)
  • the US version presents itself as part of a set, which then displays page breaks with longer (and, IMHO, less attractive) volume information

In short, the UK version seems much more usable, so it's surprising or disappointing to observe the shortcomings in the more updated US release.

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