Plagiarism?

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 17 2018 12:37 PM

Denise:

Wow! Our 1-strike was a guy and a gal unchaperoned. Missing citations was a specific paper issue, unless egregious ... then off to the dean's office. For the professors, old missing citations was water under the bridge ... but a wrong Biblical interpretation, and they were nailed from the denomination (plus college, of course).  I remember 2 that got nailed. 



We had a court system sort of lead by students and professors on a rotating basis. Accused of something? End up before the disciplinary committee where they would together decide the truth of it, and use the guidelines in the handbook to determine a punishment (if necessary) up to and including expulsion.

Wrong biblical interpretation might spark a sermon series in chapel though, or an extra assignment or three.

The chaperone situation ... it depended. You were trusted until you proved you couldn't be. I knew of one girl that got pregnant, she and the boy were both expelled. Hard line against drugs too. Though I found out later pot was rampant in the dorms (I lived off campus).

The only student that I know of that was cot with drugs was a guy that OD'd on heroin. He'd been a recovered addict, and one lonely summer day decided to try it again, and whamo. nearly died. Was expelled three years or until he could secure a note from his pastor saying he'd been verified clean for three years.

I was never on, or in front of that particular committee though. Nor in trouble for plagiarism. They put the proverbial fear of God in us when it came to plagiarism. Instant fail of the class, instant expulsion at the professors say so with no official means for appeal.

One student thought this one prof wasn't reading her paper, so instead of turning in one on the assigned topic she wrote 17 pages of scooby doo fan fiction that loosly circled the assigned topic.

She got a 100%. So rather than going to the school, she told a friend (who was of all things a male cheerleader), who then went to the prof and told the prof what she had done.

He tried to have her expelled for plagiarism, but she charged into the presidents office (I was fixing his computer) and threw the paper and syllabus on the desk and gave him a piece of her mind and demanded she be withdrawn from the school. The professor lost tenure, and the missions chair. The student failed that class, but received a refund on the other 5 she was taking (She was a friend of mine). The claim of plagiarism was struck down. She wasnt expelled though there was talk of possible copyright infringement and possibly having to add that to the handbook going forward.

I had a class the following semester with the same professor (who was openly hostile towards me as a result of my association with the previously mentioned girl), and he went out of his way to try and have me expelled also. But I took all my work to the english prof, and then the academic dean FIRST, and brought my graded papers back to the dean AFTER.

Ended up with an A, for better or worse that same prof's signature is on my diploma now too.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 7:45 PM

IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office.

But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words...

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 9:06 PM

This call seems just to me.. I am glad to see this call by them. 

-Dan

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 6:52 AM

Dan Francis:

This call seems just to me.. I am glad to see this call by them. 

-Dan

Agreed.  

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 9:22 AM

abondservant:

IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office.

But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words...

Thanks for keeping us in the loop.  So am I correct in thinking this is the end of the matter... at least from the publisher's perspective?  

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William Gabriel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 10:08 AM

abondservant:

IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office.

But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words...

Interesting. Perhaps they can help with guidelines on the acceptable amount a flirting a married guy can engage in.

Anyway, this whole discussion reminds me of some articles I pulled up when looking into plagiarism in the pulpit, and I found this one amusing:

Lloyd-Jones describes the case of a young man, a student in Spurgeon’s college, whose preaching was drawing praises from some, but a criticism from others that he “was repeatedly preaching a sermon of Mr. Spurgeon’s.” When this was brought to the attention of the school principal, it was decided to take the young man to Spurgeon himself. After considerable questioning, Spurgeon became somewhat impatient. Lloyd-Jones describes the conversation between CHS and the student. Spurgeon asks:

‘Well, are you saying, then, that it is your sermon?’ ‘Oh, no, sir,’ said the young man. ‘Well, then whose sermon is it?’ ‘It is a sermon of William Jay of Bath, sir,’ said the student . . . ‘Wait a minute,’ said Spurgeon, and turning to his library, he pulled out one of . . . two volumes [Jay’s sermons had been printed in two volumes] and there was the sermon, the exact sermon—the same text, the same headings, the same everything! What had happened? The fact was that Mr. Spurgeon had also preached William Jay’s sermon and had actually put it into print with other sermons of his [own]. Mr. Spurgeon’s only explanation was that it was many years since he had read the two volumes of Jay’s sermons and that he had forgotten all about it. He could say quite honestly that he was not aware of the fact that when he had preached that sermon he was preaching one of the sermons of William Jay.”

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 10:24 AM

William Gabriel:

Interesting. Perhaps they can help with guidelines on the acceptable amount a flirting a married guy can engage in.

More like a married flirting minister, receiving revealing photos .... our current election to replace the flirting married representative that resigned,  It's so interesting, that folks have so much trouble with these type of decisions.


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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 10:47 AM
William Gabriel:

Interesting. Perhaps they can help with guidelines on the acceptable amount a flirting a married guy can engage in.

Anyway, this whole discussion reminds me of some articles I pulled up when looking into plagiarism in the pulpit, and I found this one amusing

Thank you for the wonderful example. As for the flirting that is something only one could know... There is a level of discourse that in many minds verges on flirting but it it is nearly kind talk and the like "Mrs. Jenkins that is a very pretty dressed and it fits you well!", -- now that may be pure statement of a fact (even trying to build up self-esteem of one who needs it) or seen by some as flirting. And something perhaps even more innocent may be said with flirtatious intent. In the end I would say it has more to do with lust none heart than words said. With perhaps few to no words safe if you are inflamed with passion at ones look. I do know it was a tongue in check statement but it reminded me of groups who maintain strict and bizarre rules or prohibition be it on drink or even dancing. I even remember the old joke "Baptists are against premarital sex because it might lead to dancing." Thankfully God gave us consciouses and most of us know well enough what not to do. -dan
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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 11:27 AM

William Gabriel:

Anyway, this whole discussion reminds me of some articles I pulled up when looking into plagiarism in the pulpit, and I found this one amusing:

Thanks for sharing that, William.  I think that brother has stated my feelings perfectly.  We are all semi-plagiarius.  LOL

In all seriousness, I fear that if people are too strict on this issue we'd lose a good junk of our Logos library.  And no, I'm not using hyperbole.  If the originally referenced "plagiarism" had been deemed truly unethical and been removed...  I'll say it one last time: I have come across so many statements in reference works that were clearly following the same stream of thought of another work...  If all of them need to come down, more from all of our libraries will disappear than many here would truly conceive of.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 12:49 PM

Rick Ausdahl:

abondservant:

IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office.

But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words...

Thanks for keeping us in the loop.  So am I correct in thinking this is the end of the matter... at least from the publisher's perspective?  



far as I know. I'll not be pushing it any further. Its over the line in my opinion, but I guess IVP has lower standards than I would have expected.

I never expected a retraction, but a repair going forward would have been in my view appropriate.

A little theft, a little cheating on ones wife, a little porn. I guess so long as people only beat their spouse a little bit, its ok in this brave new world.



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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 2:51 PM

abondservant:
I guess so long as people only beat their spouse a little bit, its ok in this brave new world.

More old school... RULE OF THUMB you can only beat her with a stick thinner than your thumb.....

It would have been nice if they have been willing to insert a footnote in future editions but they made their choice...

-dan

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 5:28 PM

abondservant:

Rick Ausdahl:

abondservant:

IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office.

But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words...

Thanks for keeping us in the loop.  So am I correct in thinking this is the end of the matter... at least from the publisher's perspective?  



far as I know. I'll not be pushing it any further. Its over the line in my opinion, but I guess IVP has lower standards than I would have expected.

I never expected a retraction, but a repair going forward would have been in my view appropriate.

A little theft, a little cheating on ones wife, a little porn. I guess so long as people only beat their spouse a little bit, its ok in this brave new world.



It never felt like plagiarism to me, BUT... I'm just a lay person who has never published anything and I don't expect to, so I've never had any exposure to the rules regarding plagiarism that others on this forum have had.  Even so, while I'm personally glad the publisher doesn't feel it's necessary to retract/pull the resource, I would have thought they'd have the author rework it a bit before printing additional copies.  I suppose that's certainly still a possibility.  And, I suppose it's possible that someone higher up the chain at the publisher may feel it does qualify as plagiarism and deliver a different verdict.

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ranathomson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 5 2018 12:33 AM

Missing citations was a selected paper issue, unless conspicuous  ... then off to the dean's workplace. For the professors, recent missing citations was water below the bridge ...  I bear in mind a pair of that got nailed.

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