Denise: Wow! Our 1-strike was a guy and a gal unchaperoned. Missing citations was a specific paper issue, unless egregious ... then off to the dean's office. For the professors, old missing citations was water under the bridge ... but a wrong Biblical interpretation, and they were nailed from the denomination (plus college, of course). I remember 2 that got nailed.
Wow! Our 1-strike was a guy and a gal unchaperoned. Missing citations was a specific paper issue, unless egregious ... then off to the dean's office. For the professors, old missing citations was water under the bridge ... but a wrong Biblical interpretation, and they were nailed from the denomination (plus college, of course). I remember 2 that got nailed.
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IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office. But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words...
This call seems just to me.. I am glad to see this call by them.
-Dan
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Dan Francis: This call seems just to me.. I am glad to see this call by them. -Dan
Agreed.
abondservant: IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office. But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words...
Interesting. Perhaps they can help with guidelines on the acceptable amount a flirting a married guy can engage in.
Anyway, this whole discussion reminds me of some articles I pulled up when looking into plagiarism in the pulpit, and I found this one amusing:
Lloyd-Jones describes the case of a young man, a student in Spurgeon’s college, whose preaching was drawing praises from some, but a criticism from others that he “was repeatedly preaching a sermon of Mr. Spurgeon’s.” When this was brought to the attention of the school principal, it was decided to take the young man to Spurgeon himself. After considerable questioning, Spurgeon became somewhat impatient. Lloyd-Jones describes the conversation between CHS and the student. Spurgeon asks: ‘Well, are you saying, then, that it is your sermon?’ ‘Oh, no, sir,’ said the young man. ‘Well, then whose sermon is it?’ ‘It is a sermon of William Jay of Bath, sir,’ said the student . . . ‘Wait a minute,’ said Spurgeon, and turning to his library, he pulled out one of . . . two volumes [Jay’s sermons had been printed in two volumes] and there was the sermon, the exact sermon—the same text, the same headings, the same everything! What had happened? The fact was that Mr. Spurgeon had also preached William Jay’s sermon and had actually put it into print with other sermons of his [own]. Mr. Spurgeon’s only explanation was that it was many years since he had read the two volumes of Jay’s sermons and that he had forgotten all about it. He could say quite honestly that he was not aware of the fact that when he had preached that sermon he was preaching one of the sermons of William Jay.”
Lloyd-Jones describes the case of a young man, a student in Spurgeon’s college, whose preaching was drawing praises from some, but a criticism from others that he “was repeatedly preaching a sermon of Mr. Spurgeon’s.” When this was brought to the attention of the school principal, it was decided to take the young man to Spurgeon himself. After considerable questioning, Spurgeon became somewhat impatient. Lloyd-Jones describes the conversation between CHS and the student. Spurgeon asks:
‘Well, are you saying, then, that it is your sermon?’ ‘Oh, no, sir,’ said the young man. ‘Well, then whose sermon is it?’ ‘It is a sermon of William Jay of Bath, sir,’ said the student . . . ‘Wait a minute,’ said Spurgeon, and turning to his library, he pulled out one of . . . two volumes [Jay’s sermons had been printed in two volumes] and there was the sermon, the exact sermon—the same text, the same headings, the same everything! What had happened? The fact was that Mr. Spurgeon had also preached William Jay’s sermon and had actually put it into print with other sermons of his [own]. Mr. Spurgeon’s only explanation was that it was many years since he had read the two volumes of Jay’s sermons and that he had forgotten all about it. He could say quite honestly that he was not aware of the fact that when he had preached that sermon he was preaching one of the sermons of William Jay.”
William Gabriel: Interesting. Perhaps they can help with guidelines on the acceptable amount a flirting a married guy can engage in.
More like a married flirting minister, receiving revealing photos .... our current election to replace the flirting married representative that resigned, It's so interesting, that folks have so much trouble with these type of decisions.
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William Gabriel:Interesting. Perhaps they can help with guidelines on the acceptable amount a flirting a married guy can engage in. Anyway, this whole discussion reminds me of some articles I pulled up when looking into plagiarism in the pulpit, and I found this one amusing
Anyway, this whole discussion reminds me of some articles I pulled up when looking into plagiarism in the pulpit, and I found this one amusing
William Gabriel: Anyway, this whole discussion reminds me of some articles I pulled up when looking into plagiarism in the pulpit, and I found this one amusing:
Thanks for sharing that, William. I think that brother has stated my feelings perfectly. We are all semi-plagiarius. LOL
In all seriousness, I fear that if people are too strict on this issue we'd lose a good junk of our Logos library. And no, I'm not using hyperbole. If the originally referenced "plagiarism" had been deemed truly unethical and been removed... I'll say it one last time: I have come across so many statements in reference works that were clearly following the same stream of thought of another work... If all of them need to come down, more from all of our libraries will disappear than many here would truly conceive of.
Rick Ausdahl: abondservant: IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office. But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words... Thanks for keeping us in the loop. So am I correct in thinking this is the end of the matter... at least from the publisher's perspective?
abondservant: I guess so long as people only beat their spouse a little bit, its ok in this brave new world.
More old school... RULE OF THUMB you can only beat her with a stick thinner than your thumb.....
It would have been nice if they have been willing to insert a footnote in future editions but they made their choice...
-dan
abondservant: Rick Ausdahl: abondservant: IVP lady went on vacation, and is apparently out of the office. But she responded any way saying that per her boss, thats an acceptable amount of plagiarism copied words... Thanks for keeping us in the loop. So am I correct in thinking this is the end of the matter... at least from the publisher's perspective? far as I know. I'll not be pushing it any further. Its over the line in my opinion, but I guess IVP has lower standards than I would have expected. I never expected a retraction, but a repair going forward would have been in my view appropriate. A little theft, a little cheating on ones wife, a little porn. I guess so long as people only beat their spouse a little bit, its ok in this brave new world.
Missing citations was a selected paper issue, unless conspicuous ... then off to the dean's workplace. For the professors, recent missing citations was water below the bridge ... I bear in mind a pair of that got nailed.