Why should someone buy Logos instead of QuickVerse?

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Reb Bacchus | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2010 7:49 AM

My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse.  I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse.  What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software?  Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 8:17 AM

Reb -

I don't have time to write a long post today, but let me throw a couple of things out to you. Perhaps someone else can chime in with more detailed info.

QV was my first Bible software. I started to become disappointed with it around version 4. This was around 10 years ago. I ended up choosing Logos (V2 at the time). QV fell behind years ago and cannot come close to doing what Logos (V3 or V4) does.

As far as the bookstore issue, Logos will not be selling boxed sets through retail channels anymore. There are many reasons for this, but I think the most compelling one is that once the product is on the shelf, it is often out of date. Software updates come quickly with Logos. Just within the last month or so, I saw a V3 box still on the shelf at a store. I felt bad for someone that buys that, knowing that there is a new version and better deals to be had online.

Stick with Logos. Take the time to learn it. QV is not in the same league.

Jerry

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Rene Atchley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 8:23 AM

Logos is much more powerful. Much larger library. Much more support. Significantly better quality of search results.   Overall a much better Cadillac product over all the competition in the market.   Yet it sits while I still have quickverse 2007 on my hard drive that gets much more use.  Why?   Ease of use and price.  Sometimes folks just want a cheap ride to the store.

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Stein Dahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 8:58 AM

I own several different Bible software's - including the one you mention - so basically I can say I've tried most of them.  What I've found is that Logos has so much more depth than all of the other ones I've used.  A good description would be to say that most other Bible software's are about 1 (or maybe 2)  layer deep in search capability and so on, but Logos is a real Bible research program that's 20 layers deep.

Another good description, when comparing Logos to other Bible software, would be to make an analogy.  It would be like comparing the professional drafting/architectural program called Auto-Cad - to another very simple one like Google Sketch-Up.  Auto-Cad is a professional level program that takes some time and effort to learn how to use.  Sketch-Up doesn't.  But you can not do with Sketch-Up what you can do with Auto-Cad.  It's very similar with Logos and other Bible programs.

Non of the other Bible software's out there have anything that can compare with The Passage and the Exegetical Guides.  When you run one of these on a Bible passage it's like running 20 different mini search engines all at the same time - with each searching for different things that have to do with the passage you're studying.

One of the things I thought when I fist started using Logos a while ago was that this software is just too complicated.  But then I started watching all of the videos and really saw what Logos can do.  It can do much more than the other programs I own. 

Logos is a "professional level" research tool - not a just a simple home Bible study program - like most others out there.  The more things that a piece of software can do the more complicated it will be to learn.  And because it can do so many different things, it takes some time to learn how to use it properly.  But it's it well worth the time and effort.

I would recommend watching the videos on the Logos support page.  That's a good place to start learning about what Logos can do.

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Michael G. Halpern | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 9:13 AM

Reb Bacchus:

My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse.  I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse.  What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software?  Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?

Reb:  I've used QV for over ten years and have found it to be little more than an ebook reader with some hyper-linking and synchronization (e.g., Bible/Commentary).  QV: over 1000 books available...Logos 10,000+ (w/an additional five thousand expected over the next year or so.  Logos is much "smarter" (intuitive) also, resulting in incredible library searches and a much better ability to utilize original languages for the newbie.  QV is much less expensive, but offers a much more entry-level experience.  The only reason I keep QV around is to have access to a few resources that I can't afford to add in Logos yet...but one day soon (within a year or so) it will be gone.  Logos also offers free access to most (and probably just about all) of your library via Internet/smart phones/iPad/iPod-Touch and keeps your information synched between platforms as well.  There is no way to compare the power and usability of Logos with QV (an old friend that I won't be too disappointed to see go soon).  CS is great with both companies also.

I know pastors who don't use Logos and they spend between 25-35 hours/week preparing for their weekend sermon and others who use Logos and can easily cut 10-15 hours off of their preparation time...time spent ministering in many other ways.  This would sell me on a product (to open up greater ministry opportunities) than maybe anything else.

Bottom line:  QV much more suited for personal use/growth and light study.  Logos is much more robust and suited for research, ministry, and academics.  IMHO Smile

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Kevin Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 9:14 AM

If power and a large library is what you want then Logos has no peer.  If exegetical study is what you want then there are one or 2 peers to Logos but they do not offer much else but language tools.  If simple easy to use out of the box is what you what, again no peer to Logos.

The scholar, student, pastor-teacher, housewife and beginning student of the Word can all equally use Logos with maximum satisfaction.

QV is good software and no disrespect to the folks that have worked hard to produce it but it just cannot compete in the arenas that Logos covers so well and so comprehensively.  When you throw in the tools available to portable devices like iPhone and browser view through library.logos.com it is simply overkill.  The sychronization feature alone makes this incredibly powerful for the serious student of the Word.  If I own Mac and Windows PCs, guess what?  Logos can be installed on both at no added cost. 

Also, what other software provider offers all of this at a no credit check payment plan that makes it affordable to most anyone? No one else but Logos.  Not mention their dedication to expanding with progressions in operating systems and tech changes.  My purchase or Logos 3 three years ago will be usable for years to come as is.  Did I upgrade my Logos 3 Silver package to Logos 4 Platinum, you betcha because I wanted more resources.  But I did not have to do it, my Logos 3 is still fully functional.

Team Logos & the Logos product are just unbelievable.  The fact that they are always open to user input and that they actually may changes based on what we want is too good to be true but it is.

I own BibleWorks 5 & 7, Quickverse 2008 Platinum [I think], two versions of PC Study Bible and one or two others along the way.  They all have their merits but none stack against the total package Logos offers.

Logos all the way..

Logos 5, Windows & Android perfect together....

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Rene Atchley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 9:34 AM

It is a positive thing to see brand loyalty and success stories about how advanced exegetical software achieves savings of time and increased depth of study in a professional ministerial environment.  However, in the real world cost and ease of use (no need for a several  hundred dollar weekend seminar) often trumps those who are not keen on high cost, complexity of use, endless advertising, and hog tied to the "proper" exegetical method.  The balance here is addressed by those who go to Church with the op and recommend QV who apparently aren't aware of how "ignorant" they are for not buying the most advanced and sexy Cadillac on the market.  The advantage Logos has over other software is power and library size...different folks have different needs addressed by different software I think. 

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Esther Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 9:53 AM

I'm a housewife...among other things (throw in single mom, widow, student, bread winner, and you begin to get a start on the other things).  But as far as bible study goes, that is the level of study need I have. 

Logos does NOT require a "several hundred dollar weekend seminar" to learn to use.  I was able to look at several of the tutorial videos and get the general gist right away.  I know I do not use the software to it's limits (I'd like to see a poll on the number of users who really do!  The possibilities are endless...), but I would not want to do without the scope and flexibility of Logos, especially as concerns the exegetical guide and passage guides.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 10:10 AM

If all you need to do is display a few Bibles, do some concordance work, and maybe a few commentaries, then Quickverse is very good at that. There is certainly a market for that.

Logos enables you to go much deeper than Quickverse will because it has many more resources available.  There are far more Bible dictionaries, newer commentaries,  etc. in Logos.  Logos also manages and helps in the use of those resources.

To use Logos at the same level of study that you can use Quickverse requires no weekend seminar.  You don't need a seminar to display the Bible, a commentary, and do a basic search.  In fact, you can do more with Logos right out of the box than you can ever do with Quickverse.  Just type a verse in the passage guide, and Logos will do much of the research for you.  It is that easy.  Logos will help you use and manage your resources in ways that Quickverse cannot.

The seminar is for those who want to learn to get the most out of the product.  You can study as deeply and scholarly as you want with Logos.

 

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 10:42 AM

Esther Jones:
Logos does NOT require a "several hundred dollar weekend seminar" to learn to use.  I was able to look at several of the tutorial videos and get the general gist right away.

You're right, Esther, using Logos doesn't require a several hundred dollar weekend seminar to learn to use, but, oh, would I love to go to one to meet other users (see them up close and personal ) and I am sure that I would learn how to use L4 more efficiently.  I worked through Camp Logos 1 and Camp Logos 2 for version three (several hundred dollars, yes!) and the concepts Morris taught helped me move from the beginner to a more advanced use of L3-it was worth the money and I have all of my hair intact.  Big Smile 

 

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Sir Maru | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 28 2010 7:55 PM

Frankly, there is nothing to stop one from using many Bible Software packages.  I value Logos for research in depth when I am at home.

However, I also use my NowBible to read an annual Bible Plan to me every morning fully dramatized with actors and music and to play my favorite sacred music.  I also can easily fit it in my shirt pocket for Church Bible Studies and visits to the sick.

I can only hope that Logos eventually offers the dramatized versions of the Bible.

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David A. Peterson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 3:23 AM

ReneAtchley:
It is a positive thing to see brand loyalty and success stories about how advanced

I thought at first Rene was talking about Mac users....but I realize its us Logosites, with our T-shirts and coffee cups, and pulling out iPod touches and saying "Wanna see something neat" Surprise

ReneAtchley:
apparently aren't aware of how "ignorant" they are for not buying the most advanced and sexy Cadillac on the market.
 

I prefer to think of Logos more like a Prius than a advanced and sexy Cadillac - it might cost a little more than say a Corolla, but you get more miles to the gallon, and people that have one thinks the entire world should have one.Automobile 

In Christ,

Dave

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 3:47 AM

ReneAtchley:
The advantage Logos has over other software is power and library size...different folks have different needs addressed by different software I think. 

Lets also keep in mind Logos' commitment to continual free future upgrades of any resource you have. QuickVerse = Buy it now, pay a little more for it later to stay current. Logos = Buy it  now, that's it. That is an expensive promise to make.

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Rene Atchley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 5:06 AM

My sense David is that horn rimmed glasses and pocket protectors sell well among Logos users...and hopefully L4 never get reviewed on Gizzmodo...arrests and eternal damnation to follow.  Perhaps you are right about the Prius too sexy maybe a bit much of a stretch...I mean the software of course (as I push up my glasses and adjust my pocket protector)...Super Angry

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 5:07 AM

Philip Spitzer:

Logos = Buy it  now, that's it.

Actually, it's more like "Buy it now, then buy some more resources, then a few more, then discover the pre-pub program (what great deals!) and order some more, then discover the community pricing program (what AWESOME deals!) and bid on some more, then some of your pre-pubs start shipping and you start paying for them, then your community pricing bids move into pre-pub, now you're totally addicted and keep buying resources until your spouse finds out what's been sending the credit card bill through the roof and then you're in trouble!" Smile

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Rene Atchley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 5:14 AM

Philip Spitzer:

ReneAtchley:
The advantage Logos has over other software is power and library size...different folks have different needs addressed by different software I think. 

Lets also keep in mind Logos' commitment to continual free future upgrades of any resource you have. QuickVerse = Buy it now, pay a little more for it later to stay current. Logos = Buy it  now, that's it. That is an expensive promise to make.

I think Phillip that this "free" upgrade is a great marketing gimmick since its only useful when a consumer buys the minimum upgrade package.  Which ironically is very similarly priced for the Deluxe level of upgrade for QV 2010.  IMO the upgrades for both companies are very similar in approach (i.e improvements in the interface, bargain new books, progressive price structures for upgrades)  the primary difference being in how well each company is able to market their new super deluxe must have product. The "free" upgrade for  Logos is offset by the on going, endless, drumbeat of advertising that never lets me forget what product is being used..sort of balances itself out I think.

 

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Rene Atchley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 5:16 AM

Rosie Perera:

Philip Spitzer:

Logos = Buy it  now, that's it.

 

Actually, it's more like "Buy it now, then buy some more resources, then a few more, then discover the pre-pub program (what great deals!) and order some more, then discover the community pricing program (what AWESOME deals!) and bid on some more, then some of your pre-pubs start shipping and you start paying for them, then your community pricing bids move into pre-pub, now you're totally addicted and keep buying resources until your spouse finds out what's been sending the credit card bill through the roof and then you're in trouble!" Smile

 

 

Logos Acquisition Syndrome-LAS.

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 6:34 AM

If you only want what QuickVerse can do, don't spend your money on it. Download eSword for free. It is as good and maybe better than QV. Lots of free books available, and cheap ones for sale on other sites.

But nothing comes close to Logos. I have no reason to use any other Bible software.

Jerry

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Burning Bush Ministries

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Jim Dunne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 7:06 AM

ReneAtchley:

Rosie Perera:

Philip Spitzer:

Logos = Buy it  now, that's it.

 

Actually, it's more like "Buy it now, then buy some more resources, then a few more, then discover the pre-pub program (what great deals!) and order some more, then discover the community pricing program (what AWESOME deals!) and bid on some more, then some of your pre-pubs start shipping and you start paying for them, then your community pricing bids move into pre-pub, now you're totally addicted and keep buying resources until your spouse finds out what's been sending the credit card bill through the roof and then you're in trouble!" Smile

 

 

 

Logos Acquisition Syndrome-LAS.

 

LOL.  This is sooooooooooooooo true.  I'm an addict - I admit it, and I love it! 

Blessings,

Jim D.

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Jim Dunne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 7:10 AM

Sir Maru:

Frankly, there is nothing to stop one from using many Bible Software packages.  I value Logos for research in depth when I am at home.

However, I also use my NowBible to read an annual Bible Plan to me every morning fully dramatized with actors and music and to play my favorite sacred music.  I also can easily fit it in my shirt pocket for Church Bible Studies and visits to the sick.

I can only hope that Logos eventually offers the dramatized versions of the Bible.

 

I hadn't heard of NowBible before, so I googled it.  Interesting gadget - but it seems a bit pricey for a piece of hardware that just does one thing.  JMO, of course.

Blessings,

Jim D.

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