How to find all "peh nun" verbs presented in Nifal binyan?

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Apr 12 2018 6:01 AM

I tried 

<lemma=WIVU/he/??נ> for my BHS SESB 2 also tried with asterisks and reversed the ordering of the nun and the asterisks so I switched to BHW and tried same variations starting with: (just to get the peh-nun lemmas)

<lemma=lls/he/נ**>

I also tried typing: h:n*@vn in the builder (i.e. Hebrew word starts with nun, is a verb, in nifal...

Also played with morph document a bit, but it won't allow me to enter wildcards for the lemma

Appreciate the help,

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 12 2018 11:32 AM

Apologies since search of all resources in my library found nothing for "Nifal binyan"

Jeremiah:
(just to get the peh-nun lemmas)

Found one resource that describes "peh-nun" verbs. Searching Enhanced Strong's Lexicon for:

<H4994-H5428> BEFORE 4-7 WORDS "v."

found 145 peh-nun verbs

Screen shot shows Table of Contents for Enhanced Strongs Lexicon, which was useful for numeric search range.

Reverse Interlinear with Strongs Numbers can be searched for peh-nun verbs with corresonding words highlighted in Hebrew

<H4994-H5428> INTERSECTS <LogosMorphHeb ~ V????????> 

Corresponding word highlights include imperfect verbs in Lexham Hebrew Bible with nun dropped.

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 12 2018 12:15 PM

Thank you very much, that was quite a method!

Sorry I wrote binyan, this is the way I learned the names of the verbal form, it's a traditional Jewish way. Maybe it's called stem? 

I added the letter 'd' to your query to get that final part and it worked:

<H4994-H5428> INTERSECTS <LogosMorphHeb ~ Vd????> 

Thank you so much for your effort that was quite a solution.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 12 2018 2:49 PM

In theory, wildcards are specified like this: <Lemma lbs/he/נ*> (using the LHB). But it doesn't pick up words like נֶ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh, if the Hebrew is too small to read). I don't know why. I'm a Hebrew amateur, but if that doesn't make sense to you, either, I'll report it as a bug.

Then you could have done <Lemma ~ lbs/he/נ*> INTERSECTS <LogosMorphHeb ~ Vd???????>

(The problem with you attempted syntax was the equals sign, which forced Logos to look for the exact word (i.e. the wildcard was ignored). You needed to either delete the equals sign, or replace it with a tilde ~).

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 12 2018 6:54 PM

Thanks Mark!

<Lemma ~ lbs/he/נ*> INTERSECTS <LogosMorphHeb ~ Vd???????>

seems to work right. It does pick up the נפש root when it's in verbal form (and in nifal (niphal) )

שֵׁ֤שֶׁת יָמִים֙ תַּעֲשֶׂ֣ה מַעֲשֶׂ֔יךָ וּבַיּ֥וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִ֖י תִּשְׁבֹּ֑ת לְמַ֣עַן יָנ֗וּחַ שֽׁוֹרְךָ֙ וַחֲמֹרֶ֔ךָ וְיִנָּפֵ֥שׁ בֶּן־אֲמָתְךָ֖ וְהַגֵּֽר׃

The Lexham Hebrew Bible. (2012). (Ex 23:12). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

We wouldn't expect it to pick up  נֶ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh) since it's a noun; unless you mean the first part of the query isn't picking up nephesh?

Any idea how I can execute a search like this on BHS SESB 2.0 ?

I think you are right though if you mean just the first part of the query.

<Lemma ~ lbs/he/נ*> 

and it did not pick up  נֶ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh) in Gen 2:7

וַיִּיצֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶת־הָֽאָדָ֗ם עָפָר֙ מִן־הָ֣אֲדָמָ֔ה וַיִּפַּ֥ח בְּאַפָּ֖יו נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים וַֽיְהִ֥י הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ חַיָּֽה׃

The Lexham Hebrew Bible. (2012). (Ge 2:7). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

It's also not picking up 'nephilim' Gen 6:4

seems not getting any nouns.

Also, I think if I just type: lemma:נ** in the query box, in the drop down it picks up verbs only; it seems executing the query gets the same results (no nouns)

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 12 2018 7:04 PM

   **delete**

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 12 2018 7:42 PM

Jeremiah:
Any idea how I can execute a search like this on BHS SESB 2.0 ?

BHW 4.18

<Lemma lls/he/נ*>

BHS SESB 2.0

<Lemma sesb/he/נ*>

Jeremiah:

I just tried the first part of the query by itself:

<Lemma ~ lbs/he/נ*> 

and it did not pick up  נֶ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh) in Gen 2:7

Created thread => Bug 7.15 Beta 1 Wildcard Lemma Search missing result(s)

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 12 2018 9:09 PM

OK thanks

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