BDAG has me wondering

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Dec 2 2018 4:26 PM

I was studying John 14 and I came across εις and sought insight into its usage in this particular context and looked to my trusty resource BDAG hoping that it would provide an answer to my desire for insight. Much to my surprise Jn 14 was not highlighted but 1Pt 1.25 was. This was my first time ever seeing an alternate scripture used in this way in BDAG. Is this correct? Or have I found a typo or bug?

Would someone please enlighten me on this matter. I thank you in advance. Bless you, with every good thing for your patience and kindness towards me.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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Karl Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2018 4:50 PM

Is it possible that your other bible tab (ESV) is open to 1 Pt 1.25?  That's the only way I can replicate your screen shot.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2018 5:16 PM

Karl Fritz:

Is it possible that your other bible tab (ESV) is open to 1 Pt 1.25?  That's the only way I can replicate your screen shot.

Good observation, but, this is not the case. I opened the ESV to see what 1Pt 1.25 said.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2018 5:49 PM

Beloved:
This was my first time ever seeing an alternate scripture used in this way in BDAG. Is this correct?

Suspect a Bible with Greek Morphological tagging has εἰς selected in 1P5.12 along with BDAG having visual filters for Emphasize Active Lemmas and Emphasize Active References enabled.

Also noticed BDAG lacking εἰς example usage in John 14 (while having example usage in other chapters of John)

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2018 6:29 PM

Beloved:

Karl Fritz:

Is it possible that your other bible tab (ESV) is open to 1 Pt 1.25?  That's the only way I can replicate your screen shot.

Good observation, but, this is not the case. I opened the ESV to see what 1Pt 1.25 said.

Karl, my apologies you were absolutely correct I had my NLT open to 1Pt 1.25 and this was the source of the highlighting. I found this to be the case when I closed everything but my ESV and BDAG and checked for the behavior and found that I could not reproduce it. Thank you. Great work! And yes KS4J you too are on the money thank you. I didn't know that BDAG would pick up on texts that were not active.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2018 6:35 PM

Beloved:
Good observation, but, this is not the case. I opened the ESV to see what 1Pt 1.25 said.

Which made it the active reference to be emphasized in BDAG.

As Jn 14 is not referenced in BDAG (should it contain all 1600+ references for eis?), I would suggest you try Lexham Analytical Lexicon to the GNT and use the Louw-Nida domain to get an understanding of its meaning (LN 84.16).

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2018 7:23 PM

Not to hijack this thread, but εἰς enjoys quite the semantic range.  Honestly hope this doesn’t come off as self-promoting, but I did do some inductive research into εἰς earlier this year (posted on my blog below) - particularly as it relates to Acts 2.38.  Interesting stuff.

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Martin Hall | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2018 9:51 PM

This is why I love watching the forums. 

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2018 6:45 AM

Puddin’:

I did do some inductive research into εἰς earlier this year (posted on my blog below).

The more I look for that link, the more I can't find it. Would you offer more clues to the connection?

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2018 7:28 AM

Jack Hairston:

Puddin’:

I did do some inductive research into εἰς earlier this year (posted on my blog below).

The more I look for that link, the more I can't find it. Would you offer more clues to the connection?

Good morning everyone!

Jack, the link is in Puddin's signature line and directs you to a discussion on salvation and its requirements. I would like to thank Puddin' for his input and an especial thanks to Dave. I have the Lexham ANALEX prioritized as my fifth resource, but I must admit to not using it very much. Now seeing its usefulness I will be using it much more. Thank you Dave!

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2018 7:47 AM

Beloved:

Jack Hairston:

Puddin’:

I did do some inductive research into εἰς earlier this year (posted on my blog below).

The more I look for that link, the more I can't find it. Would you offer more clues to the connection?

Jack, the link is in Puddin's signature line

After clicking on everything that looked like a link, I still can't find it. [sigh] Any other clues would be appreciated.

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Phil Quigley | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2018 8:29 AM

Jack, here's the link.

https://apostolicacademics.com/

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2018 12:49 PM

Phil Quigley:

Jack, here's the link.

https://apostolicacademics.com/

Duh. Thanks, Phil.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2018 2:02 PM

Mark Barnes posted on an exciting new feature of L8, Headword searching. I used it with success with respect to my current interest in εις.

{Headword greek:εἰς} 

Check out his post if you haven't already seen it https://community.logos.com/forums/t/174419.aspx?PageIndex=1 

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Phil Quigley | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2018 5:08 PM

Jack Hairston:

Phil Quigley:

Jack, here's the link.

https://apostolicacademics.com/

Duh. Thanks, Phil.

No problem, didn't realize I accidentally bolded my response. Not trying to yell at people. lol Wink

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