Strange Behaviour Passage Guide

Whyndell Grizzard

I have numerous PG's setup ranging from Gen to Rev- I noticed a behaviour last night when I opened a 4th commentary tab using collection created under the series:Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis.- named CC-Genesis.

This "commentary" group appeared in all my passage guides from Gen to Rev all the same Genesis category- but showing no results. The question is should this be appearing as a new item in "every" PG or is this unexpected behaviour? See pic for example:

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The answer is "probably" as you are probably using the PG as you left it from last use rather than clearing it out and starting anew.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019236#Comment_1019236

Each one was created separately- no reuse.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019237#Comment_1019237

I deleted the Romans 1 PG opened new PG started over- when I added the 4th commentary section for the classics on Romans it appeared once again in all my PG's, getting same behaviour.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019240#Comment_1019240

Ah, you are saying that all Passage Guides having the same name have identical sections? I believe that is the intended behavior.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019241#Comment_1019241

No- every PG is different- regardless of book of the Bible and passage- the same 4th commentary section shows up in all PG's as the same book I setup in the first PG used in- i.e. I setup a 4th commentary section in Genesis 10, but when I closed the PG for Genesis and opened my PG for Romans 1.1-7- there was a 4th commentary section there that had Genesis, but no results- without me adding it to the Romans PG.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019247#Comment_1019247

I forgot to add- if I delete the 4th commentary section from any PG- it disappears from them all.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019248#Comment_1019248

I forgot to add- if I delete the 4th commentary section from any PG- it disappears from them all.

Exactly, that is what I would expect. Unless you have saved each of the Guides under a separate name (and likely you'd need to load each of them from the saved guides with separate names ... I'm fighting memory capacity and can't test at the moment), the four behave as a single Guide ... a single template that is instantiated multiple times with different passages. Any change to the sections present in one of them will effect all of them.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019262#Comment_1019262

These were all created separately from new guides

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019287#Comment_1019287

This button in the Guides menu is the only way to create a new guide that is defined separately from other guides.

You have instead been clicking on the Passage Guide item in the menu, which opens a new panel using the Passage Guide. Any changes there will affect all panels that are using the Passage Guide.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019296#Comment_1019296

This button in the Guides menu is the only way to create a new guide that is defined separately from other guides.

You have instead been clicking on the Passage Guide item in the menu, which opens a new panel using the Passage Guide. Any changes there will affect all panels that are using the Passage Guide.

I just looked at this this process is just LAME!!

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019343#Comment_1019343

You need to deactivate the PG icon under Guides if you cannot use it to create a new PG.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019344#Comment_1019344

You need to deactivate the PG icon under Guides if you cannot use it to create a new PG.

Clicking on the PG icon does not create a new PG. Instead it opens the Passage Guide and allows you to run that guide on a specific verse.

To think of it another way, there is a tool called Factbook. The Factbook tool by itself is just a collection of a bunch of sections that display data, but there is nothing to display without selecting what "key" you want to display information for.

In the same way, a Guide is a definition of sections to display along with their configurations. Creating that configuration allows you to open that guide up (in the same way you open Factbook) and select the "key" that you want to display information for.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019357#Comment_1019357

I for one will not open up "new" and continue to create a "new" PG with everything I do- I literally use PG for "everything" it is the only way to corelate resources and track studies, left in L8- using "favorites" to keep it organized is the only tool you offer- I still suffer through the fact highlights does not have a "delete all" for any pallets.

The idea of having a specifically designed PG that can be utilized time after time and modified individually as necessary was doable in L7- I guess that is now gone.

I personally thought the goal was to make the software usable for the "user" not what FL deemed usable then the "user" has no choice but adapt.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019458#Comment_1019458

The idea of having a specifically designed PG that can be utilized time after time and modified individually as necessary was doable in L7- I guess that is now gone.

That is still possible but with a slightly different workflow. What has been added is the ability to propagate a change in the PG across a group of guides, a "refresh to new format" function which had been requested many times.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019463#Comment_1019463

MJ - I eventually found the custom guide and created a new PG template- which for me is very standardized- as I move along through passages I add- exegetical, theological, bible study, etc (into the same layout) to the PG- and it is saved for a particular range of Scripture- which by the time I am done will include the entirety of each book of Scripture.

This is "my" mindset - it is how I approach the pursuit of learning- so everything I do really is centered around Favorites and the PG system- Favorites to help organize- PG to facilitate the movement of study.

It is one reason for my dogmatism for Favorites anchor, or least the ability for user to anchor to home page- and the direct saving of PG's as layout directly into a folder within Favorites.

So my "aggressive" nature- is not from anger, but from desire to get it right- it is not personal.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019465#Comment_1019465

With the PG issue what would be preferable is placing the custom PG directly into the "Guides" drop down- I know you can find it by typing PG it populates the search- once again- personal preference- for better usability.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019466#Comment_1019466

And while we're at it I would love for the Greek or Hebrew text to open in a separate tab when we open our preferred bible- in other words- when I open NASB95-PV then UBS5 (or chosen resource) opens in a separate tab- not in multi resources, within PG.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019466#Comment_1019466

With the PG issue what would be preferable is placing the custom PG directly into the "Guides" drop down

Custom Guides are visible in the dropdown menu if you scroll down

Or you can pin individual guides to the top of the menu by right-clicking it

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019504#Comment_1019504

Graham

"Custom Guides are visible in the dropdown menu if you scroll down"

That's my point though isn't it- another item you have to go hunt for- instead I'm naming them in a fashion where 2 ltrs pops them up in the search field- one click, 2 ltrs- amazing there it is- not hunt through a scrolling list.

To a great extent they spent a whole lot of time breaking what wasn't broke- instead of tweaking what they had that worked- sad.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019517#Comment_1019517

That's my point though isn't it- another item you have to go hunt for- instead I'm naming them in a fashion where 2 ltrs pops them up in the search field- one click, 2 ltrs- amazing there it is- not hunt through a scrolling list.

Aren't you just bypassing the purpose of pinning them at the top where they are instantly visible? Either method works and it's user preference.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019519#Comment_1019519

That's my point though isn't it- another item you have to go hunt for- instead I'm naming them in a fashion where 2 ltrs pops them up in the search field- one click, 2 ltrs- amazing there it is- not hunt through a scrolling list.

Aren't you just bypassing the purpose of pinning them at the top where they are instantly visible? Either method works and it's user preference.

Actually no- I use the tool bar for other items- which are for quick access- mostly individual books i'm reading, bible I use daily and other such items- once again personal preference is at work- but it is one that has worked for me at least a decade, proven and trustworthy- not based on a wildhair ideology.

A perfect example: create a guide- use EG type in Rev 1.1-3- it opens up- the whole thing is expanded- but what if I don't want it expanded but prefer to open as I go or scroll down only to open certain sections- I have to close as I go- totally the opposite of what it should be- why not simply have a button at top that indicates EA and tick it on and off- to preference?

Noooooooooo! lets have a wildhair moment

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019523#Comment_1019523

No, you misunderstood me - I'm not speaking of the shortcut bar but of the area at the top of the guides menu where one pins one's favorite guides and workflows.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019566#Comment_1019566

No, you misunderstood me - I'm not speaking of the shortcut bar but of the area at the top of the guides menu where one pins one's favorite guides and workflows.

I have tried that numerous times- it will not allow it.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019575#Comment_1019575

No, you misunderstood me - I'm not speaking of the shortcut bar but of the area at the top of the guides menu where one pins one's favorite guides and workflows.

I have tried that numerous times- it will not allow it.

Well unless you accidently discover it is a right click function only.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019576#Comment_1019576

No, you misunderstood me - I'm not speaking of the shortcut bar but of the area at the top of the guides menu where one pins one's favorite guides and workflows.

I have tried that numerous times- it will not allow it.

Well unless you accidently discover it is a right click function only.

Drag-n-drop has been mentioned (also by FL) as a desirable addition for reordering of the pinned items. I'd like to hope that at that time, it would also support dragging n dropping from elsewhere into the top row in order to pin.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019616#Comment_1019616

Well have spent last couple days trying different approaches even building templates still same result. I built templates for NT and OT use specifically in PG- made 10 different studies for books between Romans and revelation- if I added or removed a panel within the template the result was the same- it added to all- and removed from all-this is ridiculous.

Really how is this beneficial.

So my only alternative is to go through the whole gambit every time- and I mean every time I want to do a PG or any other process.

Once again a great leap backward.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019880#Comment_1019880

I have numerous PG's created in L7 they do not exhibit this same behaviour- so it is something specific to the PG of L8- you can fix this annoying behaviour.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019908#Comment_1019908

I have numerous PG's created in L7 they do not exhibit this same behaviour- so it is something specific to the PG of L8- you can fix this annoying behaviour.

Well spoke to soon found this morning the behaviour has now migrated into the L7 PG's- so there goes another option to avoid this annoying behaviour.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019910#Comment_1019910

are you doing the following steps for each PG?

open a new PG from the New button on the bottom right?
providing the PG with a unique name?
edit the guide
close the guide
repeat for each guide you wish to make?

That is the safest way to ensure that you are doing what the system expects if you want independent, persistent guides. If this is precisely what you are doing, then I suspect you have found a bug.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019964#Comment_1019964

MJ

I know how to create a PG- been doing this a long time- that's not the issue.

I had 4 templates that I used in L7- OT, NOT, EXEGETICAL, THEOLOGY- L8 PG will let you make a template- but if I do a study on Rev. 1.1-3 using the template, then do a study on Rom. 1.1-16- and add a commentary section, or whatever- every study you did using this template- will show the change- that is annoying. This behaviour is ridiculous.

So the only way to avoid it is- to create a new PG for everything you do- that means- you have to set the PG up, name it and save it, open the PG up insert the reference, then sit there because everything expands open, and close it one at a time, then set your study with the preferred resources, then save the layout, then drag it to favorites - then repeat this annoying process a thousand times.

Why? because instead of being able to use a single template already setup- you can't.

It's just like the issue with favorites not being able to be pinned to home page- another ridiculous issue.

Hey I know i'm not part the FL Elite Club- I have pumped a lot of cash into this program and unlike some who spout off on this forums- I didn't get most of my stuff free- and that is straight from an ex-employee.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019978#Comment_1019978

I know how to create a PG- been doing this a long time- that's not the issue.

I am trying to make sense out of your description of the problem. Creating PG's in L8 does not behave in exactly the same way as it did in L7. As I read your posts (a) sometimes you seem to not understand about how PG's now work which meets many users requests for a fresh/propagate function (b) sometimes you appear to be describing an actual bug that I can't replicate because I seem to misunderstand precisely what you are doing. Unfortunately, I cannot assist you if you are unwilling to work with me in making sure that I understand precisely what you are doing ... and unwilling to explore how to meet your needs given the new behavior.

I didn't get most of my stuff free

I am unaware of anyone active on the forums who got most their stuff free. And you know from reading the forums, I have no patience for this sort of illogical assertion. It is up to you to decide if you want to work through the issues with my demanding precision or wait for someone else to try to identify the problem you have using Logos 8.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1019979#Comment_1019979

I will not be posting here any longer- I have other things to do. goodbye.

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