What does the code LXX-S mean?

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Meeshell Biblestudy | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jan 18 2019 5:40 PM

Hi, I was searching for verses in the Septuagint that are missing from the kjv and all other versions, like Proverbs 13:13a, and Proverbs 24:22:a-e.., and the text comparison tool labeled the verse LXX-S Proverbs 13:13a when comparing the verse with the Douay-rheims and the Greek lxx version.  I wanted to search for all such verses to have a list, but that function is not available, and no one knows what the code LXX-S means.  Please help!

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 18 2019 6:23 PM

Hello!

Think manuscript. S = Codex Sinaiticus.

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Meeshell Biblestudy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 18 2019 6:59 PM

Ok.  Is it possible to search for all those missing verses?

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LXX-S is the abbreviation of a Bible datatype that's used for referencing verses in The Old Testament in Greek according to the Septuagint as edited by Henry Barclay Swete. I believe the "S" stands for Swete, as opposed to LXX-G used for the Göttingen Septuagint.

You can find a list of Bible datatypes on the wiki: https://wiki.logos.com/Bible_Datatypes

You can also find a more general (though incomplete) list of datatypes on the wiki: https://wiki.logos.com/List_of_Datatypes

The wiki also has a page that details the differences in verse structure for various Bible datatypes. This may contain the information you are looking for. Look for entries by index name (DR for Douay-rheims, and LXX-S for The Old Testament in Greek (Swete)). https://wiki.logos.com/Bible_Verse_Maps

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Meeshell Biblestudy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 18 2019 7:44 PM

Oh thank you so much!  Yes, this is what i was looking for!  Now i have a bunch of passages to study!  

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 18 2019 10:57 PM

Meeshell Biblestudy:
Yes, this is what i was looking for! 

Maybe not ... there many places where the verse maps show:

  • differences in versification of the same text
  • reordering of materials - think esp. of Jeremiah
  • actual differences of content , additions or subtractions - think Esther, Daniel . . .
  • presence or absence of entire books is not shown in the verse mapping

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Meeshell Biblestudy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2019 4:40 AM

I don't understand.  Can you clarify?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2019 10:14 AM

Meeshell Biblestudy:
I don't understand.  Can you clarify?

I'm not sure how to clarify as I don't know what you don't understand. What I'm trying to say is that the verse maps in the wiki only tells you where the number of verse in a chapter or the number of chapters in a book differ. But there are many other ways in which the LXX differs from the KJV. Sometimes there are the same number of verses but some of the verses are not the same - they might simply be numbered differently or there might be a difference in content.  The verse maps won't show these differences. However, the verse maps will show a difference if there is a difference in number of chapters or verses in a chapter, even when the content is the same.  So verse maps show some that are actual differences, some that are not actually different, and miss some that are actual differences. It's a starting point but only that.

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Meeshell Biblestudy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2019 10:18 AM

I thought you were saying there were other ways to access the verse maps within Logos.  I was hoping you could explain how to access them.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2019 10:33 AM

May I ask what your purpose is? I don't usually think of it as "missing verses", I tend to simply read the two versions side by side and note the differences.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2019 10:34 AM

There's a way you can search for a list of passages in one Logos bible but not in another, but it's a bit cumbersome.

  1. Create a search that will find every non-NT verse in the English Bible you're concerned about. <LogosMorphAram ~ N????> OR <LogosMorphAram ~ V????????> OR <LogosMorphAram ~ A> OR <LogosMorphHeb ~ N?????> OR <LogosMorphHeb ~ V????????> OR <LogosMorphHeb ~ A> should do it if the Bible is a reverse interlinear. Make sure you're not in analysis view before you search, or it will take forever.
  2. Save this search to a Passage List. This will take a long time, but you can carry on in a new search panel while you wait.
  3. Repeat the verse in the LXX you're interested in. Obviously you'll need to change to Greek morphology: <LogosMorphGr ~ V???????> OR <LogosMorphGr ~ N????> OR <LogosMorphGr ~ D???>
  4. Save this search to a Passage List too.
  5. Wait for both Passage Lists to complete. On my PC it took about 5 minutes. It's worth closing your search panels once the passage lists are done.
  6. In the LXX Passage list, click on Merge, then choose the KJV passage list you created earlier, then click Difference. Wait
  7. You should now have a passage list that contains only the verses in the LXX that aren't in the KJV.

I can't promise the data will be 100% accurate but it should be close. It might be useful if you were able to report errors.

It's certainly much more accurate than the Bible Mapping page, which MJ was warning about.

For example 3 Kingdoms 5:30 isn't listed using this method. That's correct, even though 1 Kings 5:30 doesn't exist (because it maps to 1 Kings 5:16 in the KJV). But 3 Kingdoms 5:32 is listed because although it sort of maps to 1 Kings 5:18, the contents is quite different.

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Meeshell Biblestudy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2019 4:18 PM

Thank you so much!  I will be checking into this right away!

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Meeshell Biblestudy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 20 2019 8:09 PM

What a beautiful function!  I'm now comparing the les to the Cambridge paragraph Bible because it has the apocrypha.  Thank you so much!

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