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Jiří Brtník | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jan 28 2019 9:14 AM

Hello,
is there any possibility to find an identity between logos and printed version of books for creating the academic citations except the bibliographical citation of the whole book – I mean the pages?
Because in academic works it is needed to write the citation of the real book.
Thank you.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 28 2019 10:01 AM

Hi Jiří - and welcome to the forums

Jiří Brtník:
is there any possibility to find an identity between logos and printed version of books for creating the academic citations except the bibliographical citation of the whole book – I mean the pages?
Because in academic works it is needed to write the citation of the real book.

In general I have found that it matches - with page numbers being preserved in the digital texts.

Can you provide more details on what you are wanting to achieve and what you are seeing?

Thanks, Graham 

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Jiří Brtník | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 28 2019 10:33 AM

Dear Graham,
thank you.
Maybe I have an older version of the printed book, so do you think that it should match?
So then it is needed to cite the last print version.
Jiri

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 28 2019 12:56 PM

It will cite the version you have in your Logos library.

Sorry, I’m still not understanding the problem. Can you give a specific example please?

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Jiří Brtník | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 28 2019 11:55 PM

In the theses in our country I have to cite the book the theologians can read or check, and mostly they have no Logos, so I should cite a printed version of the book, (so to write also the ISBN of the book).
For example :

Willis, John R. (ed.). The Teachings of the Church Fathers.

I have already cited this book, printed in 1970, but it’s pages doesn’t match with the Logos version.
So maybe it is needed to cite the new printed version from 2002 (ISBN 0-89870-893-1).
But still, I am not sure, because it has officially 496 pages, but the Logos edition has 487 pages.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 29 2019 12:46 AM

Jiří Brtník:
In the theses in our country I have to cite the book the theologians can read or check, and mostly they have no Logos, so I should cite a printed version of the book, (so to write also the ISBN of the book).

Understood

Jiří Brtník:

Willis, John R. (ed.). The Teachings of the Church Fathers.

I have already cited this book, printed in 1970, but it’s pages doesn’t match with the Logos version.
So maybe it is needed to cite the new printed version from 2002 (ISBN 0-89870-893-1).

Yes - as you note the Logos version is the 2002 edition so that is the one you would need to reference.

Jiří Brtník:
But still, I am not sure, because it has officially 496 pages, but the Logos edition has 487 pages.

I don't have an answer to that. Do you have a print copy that you can compare a few pages with the Logos one to see where the difference occurs?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 29 2019 12:53 AM

Jiří Brtník:
I have already cited this book, printed in 1970, but it’s pages doesn’t match with the Logos version.

If a Logos edition has page numbers, it will use the same page numbers as the printed edition.

The front matter of the Logos version says the original edition was copyrighted in 1966, and the new edition was copyrighted in 2002. It would therefore expect the page numbers to differ between the two versions (both in print, and in Logos).

There are various ways to specify that you are using a later edition. You'll need to look at what your style guide requires. Here are three possible options:

  • Willis, John R., ed. The Teachings of the Church Fathers. San Francisco: Ignatius Press, [1966] 2002.
  • Willis, John R., ed. The Teachings of the Church Fathers. San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2002new ed..
  • Willis, John R., ed. The Teachings of the Church Fathers. new ed. San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2002.

You should also ensure that all the references are to the same edition of the work, unless there's a good reason not to. I would suggest using the latest edition.

Jiří Brtník:
But still, I am not sure, because it has officially 496 pages, but the Logos edition has 487 pages.

This is very common. For some reason, Logos never uses page numbers in indexes at the back of the book, which is why it appears slightly shorter.

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Jiří Brtník | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 4 2019 6:34 AM

Thank you, both! It is what I wanted to hear.
God Bless

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