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Tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 20 2011 9:57 AM

I would agree, there are lots of other prayer list tools. I want notes avail via cloud w/inductive icons. ;)

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 11:34 AM

Mike Binks:

back to my main point - why would you naturally 'run to' Logos for a prayer list?

It seems to me like using your pliers to knock nails in - possible but not really appropriate!

LOL!

Mike - I disagree with you, but you are hilarious! I know this is an old thread, but I was searching the forums for info on the prayer list and ran across this one. 

First, let me stress that I have read enough of Bob's posts to know that he doesn't want Logos to become a word processor. However, that doesn't mean it is a bad idea. Logos is designed to study the Bible, but who studies the Bible in a bubble? People use Logos to study the Bible... so that they can 1) write a sermon 2) write a paper 3) prepare a lecture and yes, 4) to grow spiritually. Keeping track of prayers, writing journal entries, and working on research projects are all a natural outflow of using Logos... so why not have that functionality within the program?

I know that Logos is working on some of these features (i.e. PBB), but I hope Bob's view will continue move in this direction.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 3:01 PM

alabama24:
I know this is an old thread,

It may be old - and I have changed my mind about some of the things that I thought were superfluous when I started using the program but the prayer list is not one of them.

alabama24:
so why not have that functionality within the program?

But why - the Mac OS gives us the chance to open a separate utility just by clicking on an icon in the tray below - what is the difference between that and clicking on an icon in the program.

I guess there is a reason that Bob doesn't go to the 'Evernote' people and say - get these note takers off my back - I'll give you some hooks into the program please will you bring out a Bible enhanced version.

I am almost sure that a standalone prayer list with some hooks into Logos would be much better as a dedicated utility than it will be cluttering up the code of a research tool.

But then again I am often wrong - so this time is probably no exception.

 

 

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Stephen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 5 2011 3:17 PM

"But why?" because I don't want to have another app that I have to use to track things with. I use the Logos app on my iPad and iPhone and would like to have my prayer lists with me. Some don't want to sync to the cloud because of privacy concerns but I don't get specific enough for that to be an issue. I don't want to use another separate app. i already have my reading plans and hopefully soon notes. Yes I can use another program like omnifocus (which I use for work) or MacJournal (which I use for taking sermon/Bible study notes and journaling). I don't want to keep having to use separate apps for everything. I am not a theologian but Logos does help me grown in my walk by enabling me to better study the scriptures. I also use it for a lot of reading as I have a fairly good size resource library. Iw ant to be able to go to Logos for this as my life is already busy enough and I don't want to use a task management or note taking app for my prayer lists. I know there are prayer list apps available but Logos would allow me to keep it synced between all my devices and be in software that I already use. Many of us that use Logos are not in full time ministry but Logos does help us in our walk, so why shouldn't Logos be my go to place for all these things?Wink

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 1:41 AM

Stephen Weasler:
"But why?" because I don't want to have another app that I have to use to track things with.

Stephen Weasler:
Many of us that use Logos are not in full time ministry but Logos does help us in our walk, so why shouldn't Logos be my go to place for all these things?

So just explain to me what the big difference is between tapping the Logos  screen and selecting Prayer List and tapping the home button and selecting Logos Prayer App.

In the 80's the move was towards ubiquitous all singing and all dancing suites of programs because that was the only way that the various elements had of communicating with each other. Modern devices make it much easier for elements to 'talk to each other'. Shoehorning a Prayer List specific operating environment into the Logos program seems silly to me.

If your reason for not wanting another app, is cultural, emotional or just preferential then that is fine but it seems to me that it is not logical.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 5:58 AM

Mike Binks:

explain to me what the big difference is between tapping the Logos  screen and selecting Prayer List and tapping the home button and selecting Logos Prayer App.

Believe it or not Mike, but some people like to have apps that check email AND keep addresses. As for "shoehorning," I wish apple would get over the ridiculous idea that calendar, email, & contacts should be three separate apps!

The difference is that I want my prayer guide right beside my bible.

Mike Binks:

Modern devices make it much easier for elements to 'talk to each other'.

If I could have a separate app which could "talk to logos," I would be happy. This will never be the case, however.

Mike Binks:

Shoehorning a Prayer List specific operating environment into the Logos program seems silly to me.

What about notes? People can just open up another app if they want to! Is that shoehorning? Does prayer AND devotional reading together really sound silly to you? I can't believe that you think that. If I understand where you are coming from, you think having the two in the same app is "silly." My point is, that it is not "silly" to want to have a good app for devotional reading and prayer. In my mind, the logical choice is the app I am paying hundreds (or thousands) of dollars to buy resources for.

By the way, do you know of ANY good prayer app? If so, please share!

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 7:02 AM

Mike - 

I created a "suggestion" with a screen shot of two ways it could be improved.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 9:11 AM

alabama24:
Believe it or not Mike, but some people like to have apps that check email AND keep addresses. As for "shoehorning," I wish apple would get over the ridiculous idea that calendar, email, & contacts should be three separate apps!

I guess this shows that we have two different ways of looking at things. I am content with Calendar, Email and Contacts being separate apps so long as they talk to each other. This they seem to do quite adequately. If I want to sit them side by side on my desktop machine then I can and if I want them in different spaces then I can  - lump them together and you just restrict  the choice of how they are laid out. They are, after all, only a click away.

alabama24:
The difference is that I want my prayer guide right beside my bible.

And with a standalone app you can have it beside your bible, under your bible, over your bible, on a second monitor or in a separate space. Lump them together and you just restrict the choice of how they are laid out.

alabama24:
If I could have a separate app which could "talk to logos," I would be happy. This will never be the case, however.

I don't see why not! if I were Bob this is the way I would go. It would surely make maintenance so much easier.

All the above applies to notes.

To my mind it seems that Logos is a Text manipulation tool. Notes is a word-processing tool and Prayer Lists are a database tool. For the sake of the sanity of the programmers I would think that making them separate applications or programs would be the logical way to go PROVIDING there are adequate links between the three applications. 

But then again I loath the Logos Box all my layouts break things up into floating windows which I spread over two monitors and four spaces. Having it all squashed into one screen seems a total waste of the Mac OX environment.

Maybe I am just odd?

By the way I like your suggestions - it would make a great standalone app  :-)

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 10:54 AM

Mike Binks:

alabama24:
If I could have a separate app which could "talk to logos," I would be happy. This will never be the case, however.

I don't see why not! if I were Bob this is the way I would go. It would surely make maintenance so much easier.

Mike Binks:

By the way I like your suggestions - it would make a great standalone app  :-)

I could handle a standalone app. However, I think it unlikely that Logos would ever make such a thing. Logos is not so much in the "App selling business" as in the "resource selling business." Even their new presentation software is designed to sell more resources, is it not? It would seem to me that a separate "prayer app" would be outside of Logos's "bread and butter." When these features are connected to the main program, however, it becomes a "selling point" and would drive more resource sales.

If Logos doesn't do it, I hope someone else does!

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 11:14 AM

alabama24:
If Logos doesn't do it, I hope someone else does!

There are any number of prayer list apps out there. What's missing from them that you would want to see?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 11:29 AM

Chris Roberts:

There are any number of prayer list apps out there. What's missing from them that you would want to see?

No offense - can you name one (or two or three?). If you have one you use, I will take a look. My preference, however, is for it to be integrated with Logos!

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 11:43 AM

alabama24:
No offense - can you name one (or two or three?). If you have one you use, I will take a look. My preference, however, is for it to be integrated with Logos!

It occurs to me I failed to double-check what device or platform we are talking about. I checked the iOS app store and quickly found several apps that provide ability to manage prayer lists. The Mac App store didn't have any listings, but I'm sure a Google search would turn up apps available for PC or Mac.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 12:14 PM

Chris Roberts:

I'm sure a Google search would turn up apps available for PC or Mac.

Again - no offense - but it doesn't. At least not any good ones.

Chris Roberts:

What's missing from them that you would want to see?

First, I would want something that is accessible/syncs with all my macs, iPad, and (future)iPhone.

Second, I would want my "preferred" Logos Bible, along with its named highlighters, available alongside.

Third, I would want grouping & hierarchy.

Fourth, I would want advanced scheduling features & reminders.

Is that a good start?

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Stephen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 2:10 PM

Mike Binks:

Stephen Weasler:
"But why?" because I don't want to have another app that I have to use to track things with.

Stephen Weasler:
Many of us that use Logos are not in full time ministry but Logos does help us in our walk, so why shouldn't Logos be my go to place for all these things?

So just explain to me what the big difference is between tapping the Logos  screen and selecting Prayer List and tapping the home button and selecting Logos Prayer App.

In the 80's the move was towards ubiquitous all singing and all dancing suites of programs because that was the only way that the various elements had of communicating with each other. Modern devices make it much easier for elements to 'talk to each other'. Shoehorning a Prayer List specific operating environment into the Logos program seems silly to me.

If your reason for not wanting another app, is cultural, emotional or just preferential then that is fine but it seems to me that it is not logical.

Mike, I already have prayer lists on L4M and the will sync with windows (If I used windows) and my reading lists sync to my iPhone/iPad so why can't prayer lists. I have several lists and I group them by topic i.e Ministry, Healing, Salvation, personal. Why should I have to use a separate app on my iPhone/iPad for prayer lists when L4M already has them. I use the reading lists quite a bit and like they way they sync between my devices. I would like prayer lists to do the same so wether I'm looking at my iPhone, iPad or on my Mac they are all the same. I would also like to be able to link resources(Bibles) so that when I select a link it would open the resource. 

A separate app would work but why make a separate app just for prayer lists? They don't have a separate app for reading lists. If they started making everything a separate app pretty soon we could have 5, 6 or even more separate apps for Logos.

 

Just my two cents. I would like to have it included in the Logos app the same as it's in L4M. That's my preference.

 

Stephen

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 2:42 PM

alabama24:
Second, I would want my "preferred" Logos Bible, along with its named highlighters, available alongside.

What would be the role of Bible and highlighters in a prayer list app?

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 3:14 PM

Mike Binks:
Maybe I am just odd?

Hmm Hmmmmmmmmm Hmm

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 3:53 PM

Chris Roberts:

What would be the role of Bible and highlighters in a prayer list app?

To read the Bible while you pray. I know that is a novel suggestion. Smile

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 3:57 PM

alabama24:
To read the Bible while you pray.

First, I'm asking as someone looking for app ideas. I've got one iOS app in the wild (P2R), and I'm about ready to write another one. A prayer list app tickles my fancy, but with several already out there, I'd need something that would set it apart. A few of your suggestions give me ideas of how it could be set apart.

Second, this is in the realm of more personal curiosity, what role does Bible reading play in the midst of praying for specific requests? I'm familiar with the practice of praying the Scriptures, but I don't know that I've heard of a similar practice while praying for specific requests and concerns.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 4:22 PM

Chris Roberts:

First, I'm asking as someone looking for app ideas. I've got one iOS app in the wild (P2R), and I'm about ready to write another one. A prayer list app tickles my fancy, but with several already out there, I'd need something that would set it apart. A few of your suggestions give me ideas of how it could be set apart.

Second, this is in the realm of more personal curiosity, what role does Bible reading play in the midst of praying for specific requests? I'm familiar with the practice of praying the Scriptures, but I don't know that I've heard of a similar practice while praying for specific requests and concerns.

Chris -

The only iOS apps I have seen were gaudy and designed for the iPhone / iPod Touch. For such an app, having the Bible added would have to be on a different screen. If you were to design an iPad app, that would open up "real estate" to add both. 

As for the role of Bible reading with prayer... I see the two as synergistic. My reading can inform my prayers - my prayers can inform my reading. BTW, a reading app doesn't just have to be about "requests." It would be nice to have prayer plans or templates to assist people. In those areas of prayer, Bible reading is very important. 

PS - I edited my previous post to be more friendly sounding [Smile]. My humor probably didn't come across in the post.

PPS - I have P2R on my iPad. I have not really begun to use it (the iPad is primarily my wife's), but it is elegant in its simplicity. It is something even Mike could appreciate Stick out tongue

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Stephen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 6 2011 4:42 PM

Chris Roberts:

alabama24:
To read the Bible while you pray.

First, I'm asking as someone looking for app ideas. I've got one iOS app in the wild (P2R), and I'm about ready to write another one. A prayer list app tickles my fancy, but with several already out there, I'd need something that would set it apart. A few of your suggestions give me ideas of how it could be set apart.

Second, this is in the realm of more personal curiosity, what role does Bible reading play in the midst of praying for specific requests? I'm familiar with the practice of praying the Scriptures, but I don't know that I've heard of a similar practice while praying for specific requests and concerns.

Chris, I like to "pray the Word' There are scriptures that address certain issue, healing, salvation, wisdom are a few. When praying I like to pray the word along with the  specific item I am praying. I would like to be able to"click a link" and have the Bible open to that verse that I've put int he prayer request.

Stephen

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