Help searching NA28 for LXX references

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 28 2019 7:44 AM

The NA28 editors use the symbol 𝔊 to indicate a reference to the LXX. I am trying to use Logos to find all such instances, but the search I am running only picks up occurrences of 𝔊 in the material either at the beginning or end of the NA28. It is not picking up any of the times the symbol is used as a cross-reference (what I am actually searching for), such as Hebrews 1:6, for example. The screenshot below shows the results I get running a Basic search. If I use a Bible search for All Bible Text instead, I don't get any results at all. What am I doing wrong here? Thanks!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 28 2019 8:27 AM

The symbol appears to be missing from many footnotes. Certainly it's not at Matthew 2:18 as the introduction says it is. Although it's there in Hebrews 10:3, among several others. I don't have a paper NA28 to compare. Perhaps a resource bug?

You could always search for <Gen - Mal>, to pick up all references to the OT, but that may not be what you want.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 28 2019 9:11 AM

Mark Barnes:
The symbol appears to be missing from many footnotes.

But why aren't the footnotes that do have it showing up?

Mark Barnes:
You could always search for <Gen - Mal>

I am specifically looking for examples of the NT citing the LXX, so this won't get me what I need. Thanks for the help, though!

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 28 2019 10:28 AM

Matthew:
But why aren't the footnotes that do have it showing up?

The footnotes do appear in print, see this note about Matt. 2:18

The problem is that the apparatus notes only come up in a separate resource called Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Edition: Critical Apparatus

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 28 2019 11:03 AM

Lee:
The footnotes do appear in print, see this note about Matt. 2:18

Perhaps "footnotes" is the wrong term. What I am looking for are the cross-references, which in the print edition are found in the outer margins of the page.

Lee:
The problem is that the apparatus notes only come up in a separate resource called Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Edition: Critical Apparatus

Not interested in the apparatus. The apparatus shows what readings various Greek manuscripts and other relevant sources have. I am looking for places where the NA28 editors believe a passage from the LXX is being cited, and in the Logos resource, that information is found in the main resource for NA28, not the separate apparatus. The Logos edition uses an asterisk symbol for these cross-references. See screenshot below for a better idea of what I am mean.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 28 2019 11:12 AM

Your tone comes across rather badly. My help ends here.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 28 2019 12:07 PM

Lee:
Your tone comes across rather badly. My help ends here.

While I meant no offense, I have obviously caused some, and therefore I apologize. "Tone" can be subjective and misinterpreted when dealing the written word. If you will permit me, I would like to try explaining my thought process in my previous post with the goal of removing the offense. "Footnotes" had been brought up earlier in the discussion, even before your post, and I was attempting to clarify that this term gives the wrong impression. "Footnotes" are usually found at the bottom of the page, which in the printed edition of the NA28 is where the critical apparatus is located. I was trying to clarify what I meant by stating that I am trying to search the cross-references, which in the print edition are located on the side of the page rather than the bottom. I then provided a screenshot because, as they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words." I am not sure which part of that offended you, but again, I do apologize. I was merely trying to be precise in my speech so that you (and anyone else reading this thread) would have a clearer idea of what I am (still) trying to achieve. Whether you provide additional help or not, please know that I appreciate you having already taken time out of your day to help me and that I in no way intended to repay your kindness with rudeness or disrespect.

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The footnotes in the NA28 resource actually show content contained in "Nestle-Aland: Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Auflage" (LLS:NA28GBS). Searching the LLS:NA28 resource fails to find that content because it isn't there to be found. However, if you search the LLS:NA28GBS resource instead, you will find the hits you are looking for. See below for corrected information.

Your screenshot indicates that you are searching the NA28 Critical Apparatus resource (which you seem to have renamed). Since the Critical Apparatus doesn't include the footnotes, you aren't going to get many results.

A Bible search won't ever return any results, because Bible searches only search the Bible text, not any of the other text (such as footnotes, headers, etc).

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 28 2019 1:24 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
Your screenshot indicates that you are searching the NA28 Critical Apparatus resource (which you seem to have renamed).

You are correct that I did rename the resource, but I promise I am not using or searching the critical apparatus. The resource I have unsuccessfully been attempting to search is:

LLS:NA28
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Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
The footnotes in the NA28 resource actually show content contained in "Nestle-Aland: Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Auflage" (LLS:NA28GBS).

Searching the resource you indicated does in fact give me the results I was looking for. That is somewhat puzzling to me, though. I stopped using the Auflage because Kyle had previously indicated Faithlife was going "functionally deprecate LLS:NA28GBS." He later indicated the Auflage was now the inferior of the two resources: "The only significant difference that I know about is that the morph tagging for LLS:NA28 will include a gloss whereas LLS:NA28GBS will not." Andrew, you have solved one problem for me but raised another one. Can you please clarify for me what the differences are between these two resources as they currently stand?

EDIT: Kyle had also said Faithlife would like to only sell one version of the NA28 rather than two, and it appears that this is now the case. I am no longer seeing the Auflage available for sale. If that is the only version of the NA28 that had searchable cross-references, then will Faithlife be adding this capability to the version they are still selling?

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Matthew:
That is somewhat puzzling to me, though

My apologies. I made a mistake when looking at this information. The footnotes are actually stored in the apparatus resource, not the GBS resource. Sadly, the footnotes are not stored in the apparatus in a way that makes them searchable, which means that currently the only way to find those is to search the GBS resource.

We have created a case to make the footnotes searchable from the NA28 resource directly, but I don't have information as to when or if that work will be completed.

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