Announcement: Ship Date for Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20

We're pleased to announce that Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20 will be shipping on March 22, 2019. From the product page:

Theological journals make it possible to participate in the cutting edge of biblical and theological research. While commentaries often represent the essential scholarly views for biblical, exegetical, cultural and historical questions, even the greatest of commentators rely heavily upon the cumulation of knowledge of their peers. Journal articles zoom in on specific historical, exegetical, and theological topics and tease out the details in a way that is not possible in other academic genres. The Theological Journal Library brings much of the same research, discussion and debate relied upon by commentators like Grant Osborne, Craig Keener, and Gordon J. Wenham and places it at your fingertips.

https://www.logos.com/product/156048/galaxies-theological-journal-library-vols-1-20

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Matt Hamrick

It's about time.

Mark Smith

Glad to hear this. Sadly it is already out of date.

When can we expect to be able to order the most recent updates?

Mattillo

We're pleased to announce that Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20 will be shipping on March 22, 2019. From the product page:

Theological journals make it possible to participate in the cutting edge of biblical and theological research. While commentaries often represent the essential scholarly views for biblical, exegetical, cultural and historical questions, even the greatest of commentators rely heavily upon the cumulation of knowledge of their peers. Journal articles zoom in on specific historical, exegetical, and theological topics and tease out the details in a way that is not possible in other academic genres. The Theological Journal Library brings much of the same research, discussion and debate relied upon by commentators like Grant Osborne, Craig Keener, and Gordon J. Wenham and places it at your fingertips.

https://www.logos.com/product/156048/galaxies-theological-journal-library-vols-1-20

Thank you for the update! I'm glad to see that you haven't given completely up on journals yet. One question though, previously on the forums it was mentioned that logos might release journals with less bells and whistles. Will these be like previous journals or will they have less functionality?

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038598#Comment_1038598

Amazing! Thank you very much!

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038577#Comment_1038577

When can we expect to be able to order the most recent updates?

Galaxie has historically had an annual release schedule, usually every October/November. We'll target that for the next release, if that's what they're still doing, now that we've worked the kinks out of the process. The next time around should be much more straightforward and shouldn't even need to go through Pre-Pub.

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038599#Comment_1038599

Amazing! Thank you very much!

You're welcome! It's been quite the journey. Thanks for bearing with us with patience and grace.

Tom Reynolds

Sure glad I bought these back in the Galaxie days. I have vols 1-14 already and my dynamic pricing is still $554.81. I'm not sure what happened to Logos being able to maintain the $50 per year price when this abridged collection costs far more than that. Sorry Logos, my wallet is staying closed on these.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038617#Comment_1038617

Amazing! Thank you very much!

You're welcome! It's been quite the journey. Thanks for bearing with us with patience and grace.

Mr Phil

Randy W. Sims

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038619#Comment_1038619

Will these be like previous journals or will they have less functionality?

According to the product page they are fully tagged.

[quote]This journal bundle fully integrates with the Logos Journal Feature and includes specialized tagging by author, passage, and topic.

I'm very grateful and excited for this and future releases.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038623#Comment_1038623

Will these be like previous journals or will they have less functionality?

According to the product page they are fully tagged.

[quote]This journal bundle fully integrates with the Logos Journal Feature and includes specialized tagging by author, passage, and topic.

I'm very grateful and excited for this and future releases.

Awesome! I would have bought it anyway but was curious... Thanks

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038625#Comment_1038625

Will these be like previous journals or will they have less functionality?

According to the product page they are fully tagged.

[quote]This journal bundle fully integrates with the Logos Journal Feature and includes specialized tagging by author, passage, and topic.

I'm very grateful and excited for this and future releases.

Awesome! I would have bought it anyway but was curious... Thanks

This needs a little nuance. We're in the process of updating the details on the product page, and we'll make sure to include those details in our last-chance email that everyone will receive early next week.

There are two groups of resources included in this product: (1) those that Logos has a license to and has produced to our normal standards (i.e., the ones in this product) and (2) those that only Galaxie has a license to and has produced themselves, with some guidance and input from us.

The first group is exactly what you would expect.

The second group hasn't gone through the exact same process. We'll provide a description soon of the ways they're different, but I'll hit the hit points here.

How They're the Same

They have the same label tagging, which means you'll be able to run label searches in them just like you can in the journals we produce.
They'll show up in the Journals guide section in the same way journals we produce do.

How They're Different

They won't have as many links to other Logos resources.
They haven't been as carefully checked for typos, quality issues, etc. But historically Galaxie has been very responsive to issues and shipping updates. (I say this as the former top typo reporter for Galaxie journals. )

All in all, you should still get the same core experience. Going this route meant we could ship this to you now rather than waiting months or longer for additional funding.

Look for a more detailed description of the differences early next week.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038617#Comment_1038617

You're welcome! It's been quite the journey. Thanks for bearing with us with patience and grace.

Phil, I am sorry, but I am confused. When I click on what is new to me, I see that all the new volumes that I do not yet have, have not yet been produced. So the only thing that will download for people are journals that have already been available. Can you please comment?

Dr. Ken

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038629#Comment_1038629

Will these be like previous journals or will they have less functionality?

According to the product page they are fully tagged.

[quote]This journal bundle fully integrates with the Logos Journal Feature and includes specialized tagging by author, passage, and topic.

I'm very grateful and excited for this and future releases.

Awesome! I would have bought it anyway but was curious... Thanks

The first group is exactly what you would expect.

The second group hasn't gone through the exact same process. We'll provide a description soon of the ways they're different, but I'll hit the hit points here.

How They're the Same

They have the same label tagging, which means you'll be able to run label searches in them just like you can in the journals we produce.
They'll show up in the Journals guide section in the same way journals we produce do.

How They're Different

They won't have as many links to other Logos resources.
They haven't been as carefully checked for typos, quality issues, etc. But historically Galaxie has been very responsive to issues and shipping updates. (I say this as the former top typo reporter for Galaxie journals. )

All in all, you should still get the same core experience. Going this route meant we could ship this to you now rather than waiting months or longer for additional funding.

Look for a more detailed description of the differences early next week.

What is the status of the 4.1 bundles now mentioned in your post? They were scheduled to be released quarterly. The poor response apparently does not make that viable. These bundles have sat for nearly a year in pre-pub. What's the plan for their future? |

Will all bundles be a November/December release if Galaxie maintains its schedule in one bundle to rule them all with the 4.1, 5.1, 6.1's all getting the #1 tagging and the Galaxie stuff #2 tagging?

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038614#Comment_1038614

Galaxie has historically had an annual release schedule, usually every October/November. We'll target that for the next release,

shouldn't even need to go through Pre-Pub.

Both statements are music to my ears, Phil. Thank you.

Mark

We're pleased to announce that Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20 will be shipping on March 22, 2019. From the product page:

Thom, all 49 new volumes...according to the products page, they will NOT be shipping on March 22 because the resources are not yet available. Doesn't that mean that this product is not ready to be shipping? Is there a time frame on WHEN those new 49 resources will be available?

Dr. Ken

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038648#Comment_1038648

I would say our desire for some action prevented them from refraining much longer. I'd prefer they ship now and add as they can since November is a ways out there for the next Galaxie release.

Dr. Ken

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038645#Comment_1038645

Galaxie has historically had an annual release schedule, usually every October/November. We'll target that for the next release,

shouldn't even need to go through Pre-Pub.

Both statements are music to my ears, Phil. Thank you.

I hope so, but we've been promised quarterly releases previously. Plans don't always come to fruition. At least we have something!

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038631#Comment_1038631

You're welcome! It's been quite the journey. Thanks for bearing with us with patience and grace.

Phil, I am sorry, but I am confused. When I click on what is new to me, I see that all the new volumes that I do not yet have, have not yet been produced. So the only thing that will download for people are journals that have already been available. Can you please comment?

I‘m not sure what you’re seeing, but all of the volumes in the collection have been produced and will ship to users in two weeks on March 22.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038656#Comment_1038656

I‘m not sure what you’re seeing, but all of the volumes in the collection have been produced and will ship to users in two weeks on March 22.

I am seeing an asterisk after all 49 new resources. At the bottom of the page, it says "* Your purchase includes this resource, which isn’t available yet. The resource will automatically download to Logos once it’s available."

Is it possible that the website needs to be updated?

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038641#Comment_1038641

What is the status of the 4.1 bundles now mentioned in your post?

The TJL Upgrade bundle is in production and should ship in a couple of months. I think the others are going into production soon and may ship this summer, but I’m less sure about the timing on them.

Will all bundles be a November/December release if Galaxie maintains its schedule in one bundle to rule them all with the 4.1, 5.1, 6.1's all getting the #1 tagging and the Galaxie stuff #2 tagging?

Like I said above, I think we’ll probably ship the Galaxie collection annually in October/November. When we’ll ship the Logos journal bundles isn’t clear yet. We’re looking into some additional funding sources that could allow us not to have to wait for funding before producing them. But we don’t know enough yet to give any kind of indication of the future shipping schedule. Let’s get all the current bundles shipped first, and then we’ll figure out where to go from there.

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038657#Comment_1038657

I‘m not sure what you’re seeing, but all of the volumes in the collection have been produced and will ship to users in two weeks on March 22.

I am seeing an asterisk after all 49 new resources. At the bottom of the page, it says "* Your purchase includes this resource, which isn’t available yet. The resource will automatically download to Logos once it’s available."

Is it possible that the website needs to be updated?

Okay. I see. Sorry about that. This is a newer product page template that wasn’t designed for use with Pre-Pubs. I’ll have the team take a look at how to improve this messaging for Pre-Pubs. Rest assured, though, that all of these resources will ship with the rest of the collection on March 22.

Charlene

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038659#Comment_1038659

Glad that some journals are finally being released. Thank you!

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038658#Comment_1038658

Like I said above, I think we’ll probably ship the Galaxie collection annually in October/November. When we’ll ship the Logos journal bundles isn’t clear yet. We’re looking into some additional funding sources that could allow us not to have to wait for funding before producing them. But we don’t know enough yet to give any kind of indication of the future shipping schedule. Let’s get all the current bundles shipped first, and then we’ll figure out where to go from there.

Phil, this is your biggest stumbling block for Logos journals. People aren't going to pay to fund them because they don't trust that they are going to be produced on a regular schedule, and you guys aren't willing to produce them until they are funded EACH CYCLE. It's a vicious cycle. Logos is going to have to start producing journals on a regular schedule BEFORE people are going to be willing to go all in and start purchasing them again. Showing consistent releases is the only way that people will be willing to buy in. Once people see that Logos is going to be consistent, more people will purchase them.

Dr. Ken

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038688#Comment_1038688

Like I said above, I think we’ll probably ship the Galaxie collection annually in October/November. When we’ll ship the Logos journal bundles isn’t clear yet. We’re looking into some additional funding sources that could allow us not to have to wait for funding before producing them. But we don’t know enough yet to give any kind of indication of the future shipping schedule. Let’s get all the current bundles shipped first, and then we’ll figure out where to go from there.

Phil, this is your biggest stumbling block for Logos journals. People aren't going to pay to fund them because they don't trust that they are going to be produced on a regular schedule, and you guys aren't willing to produce them until they are funded EACH CYCLE. It's a vicious cycle. Logos is going to have to start producing journals on a regular schedule BEFORE people are going to be willing to go all in and start purchasing them again. Showing consistent releases is the only way that people will be willing to buy in. Once people see that Logos is going to be consistent, more people will purchase them.

👍

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038659#Comment_1038659

Okay. I see. Sorry about that. This is a newer product page template that wasn’t designed for use with Pre-Pubs. I’ll have the team take a look at how to improve this messaging for Pre-Pubs. Rest assured, though, that all of these resources will ship with the rest of the collection on March 22.

Thank you

DAL

$941 is too expensive IMHO

DAL

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038688#Comment_1038688

Logos is going to have to start producing journals on a regular schedule BEFORE people are going to be willing to go all in and start purchasing them again.

We tried that with version 3, and it didn't work—by quite a large margin. We weren't in the position to repeat that for multiple years in the hopes that it would eventually pencil out.

As I said above, we’re looking into some additional funding sources (and cost-savings measures) that could allow us not to have to wait for funding before producing them. I'm hopeful that this'll be the key that unlocks the door of consistently publishing journals.

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038675#Comment_1038675

Glad that some journals are finally being released. Thank you!

You're welcome. Thanks for your support.

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038706#Comment_1038706

$941 is too expensive IMHO

DAL

It depends on your needs and perspective. For years many have considered the Galaxie Theological Journal Library a great value: $50 for 50 years of journals, only $1 each—just a tiny fraction of what you would pay to get them in print, if you could even track them down. They've been producing them for 20 years, and 20 x $50 = $1,000.

I understand that $1,000 is more of a shock to the budget than $50/yr. for the last 20 years.

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038782#Comment_1038782

Logos is going to have to start producing journals on a regular schedule BEFORE people are going to be willing to go all in and start purchasing them again.

We tried that with version 3, and it didn't work—by quite a large margin. We weren't in the position to repeat that for multiple years in the hopes that it would eventually pencil out.

As I said above, we’re looking into some additional funding sources (and cost-savings measures) that could allow us not to have to wait for funding before producing them. I'm hopeful that this'll be the key that unlocks the door of consistently publishing journals.

[Y]

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038688#Comment_1038688

Phil, this is your biggest stumbling block for Logos journals. People aren't going to pay to fund them because they don't trust that they are going to be produced on a regular schedule, and you guys aren't willing to produce them until they are funded EACH CYCLE. It's a vicious cycle. Logos is going to have to start producing journals on a regular schedule BEFORE people are going to be willing to go all in and start purchasing them again. Showing consistent releases is the only way that people will be willing to buy in. Once people see that Logos is going to be consistent, more people will purchase them.

Supplementing Phil's response to the above, I'll note that he's already said that subsequent updates for Galaxie shouldn't have to go through Pre-Pub, which means that, for the Galaxie collection, FL is intending to do what you want.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038784#Comment_1038784

I understand that $1,000 is more of a shock to the budget than $50/yr. for the last 20 years

Did you really need to remind me that I have spent THAT MUCH? [:P]

Michael S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039034#Comment_1039034

Ok, so I have a pre-pub for the Galaxie, coming in at $308. I have a pre-pub for the Master 4.1 coming in at $270. Which is the better deal?

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039046#Comment_1039046

Ok, so I have a pre-pub for the Galaxie, coming in at $308. I have a pre-pub for the Master 4.1 coming in at $270. Which is the better deal?

The Master Journal Bundle is a better value. Journals there are priced closer to $.50 for each volume/year instead of the $1 each in the Galaxie TJL product.

But the Galaxie product includes journals not in the MJB. So you'll likely want to buy both.

Buying them in the order of MJB followed by Galaxie TJL would probably be the most cost-effective, but that would require waiting a few months, since TJL will ship next Friday and the MJB is still a a few months out.

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039054#Comment_1039054

The MJB has a date?

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039056#Comment_1039056

The MJB has a date?

Not an official date yet. But I think we're about to (or just recently have) put it into production.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039054#Comment_1039054

The Master Journal Bundle is a better value. Journals there are priced closer to $.50 for each volume/year instead of the $1 each in the Galaxie TJL product.

But the Galaxie product includes journals not in the MJB. So you'll likely want to buy both.

Buying them in the order of MJB followed by Galaxie TJL would probably be the most cost-effective, but that would require waiting a few months, since TJL will ship next Friday and the MJB is still a a few months out.

My two packages show an overlap of 6 volumes. Ideally it would have been better if MJB shipped before Galaxie TJL but it is only a cost difference of $3 at $.50 a volume.

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1038782#Comment_1038782

I agree totally here with what Joseph Turner has said - I believe this is a real issue for many potential customers. they see the system as broken - so are unwilling to invest in it.

However I totally see the Faithlife concern that it "has" to be financially viable.

Somehow the impasse need to be dealt with or we will remain in this situation.

If we can get to a point where trust in the system is restored/built - the potential is a for a LARGE number of serious scholar and bible students to make great use of the Logos facilities and also sell large volumes of journal issues.

For myself - this was (when it was looking good) was THE reason I decided on Logos.

So the incremental cost of each years additions are very acceptable. However I recognise that the cost to get to this point for most would seem prohibitive.

Shalom

Michael S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039054#Comment_1039054

The Master Journal Bundle is a better value.

Thank you Phil for your response.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039398#Comment_1039398

I agree totally here with what Joseph Turner has said - I believe this is a real issue for many potential customers. they see the system as broken - so are unwilling to invest in it.

However I totally see the Faithlife concern that it "has" to be financially viable.

Somehow the impasse need to be dealt with or we will remain in this situation.

If we can get to a point where trust in the system is restored/built - the potential is a for a LARGE number of serious scholar and bible students to make great use of the Logos facilities and also sell large volumes of journal issues.

For myself - this was (when it was looking good) was THE reason I decided on Logos.

So the incremental cost of each years additions are very acceptable. However I recognise that the cost to get to this point for most would seem prohibitive.

Shalom

Faithlife bit off more than they could chew. This was not the fault of users. I would suggest that FL needs to sell multiple packets of journals to be financially viable. Not everyone is interested in all journals. They can sell packets for various audiences and have a Masters packet for those willing to pay. Or they can just go the route of not bundling. Sell individual journals for those that want certain journals. Or they need to do a subscription route.

James McAdams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039429#Comment_1039429

I would love to buy more journals - mainly JETS - but I can't afford bundles this size. Hopefully they'll be able to break down the collections down the line at some point.

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039438#Comment_1039438

I'd like to see both. A subscription model would bring in a consistent cash flow every month that Faithlife could count on. The purchase option would allow those who want to own a specific journal.

Also, the subscription model would allow users to access journals for study, research, etc. that they would never purchase.

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039448#Comment_1039448

I'm not even sure what a reasonable subscription price would be, but I'd pay $99 a year to access the journals.

I'll likely never purchase the Master Journal Bundle, so with only the purchase option available, Faithlife will not receive any revenue from me for this resource. However, they would with the subscription.

That being said, I still prefer to purchase my resources, so I would like this to always be an option.

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039449#Comment_1039449

I have been investing in journals for many years, so the entry price was not so great. I suggest FL consider selling the more recent years in a separate package and/or offer the earlier years at a discount to allow for entry of more customers.

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039450#Comment_1039450

I have been investing in journals for many years, so the entry price was not so great. I suggest FL consider selling the more recent years in a separate package and/or offer the earlier years at a discount to allow for entry of more customers.

Won't affect me as I already have the latest available MJB - however this sounds like a really good idea if Faithlife can crunch the right numbers.

Shalom

Puddin’

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039452#Comment_1039452

I would buy this package of journals in a heartbeat. Having written papers in several journals myself I know the hard work and peer reviews that go with it.

IMO, journals are sorely lacking in software.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039565#Comment_1039565

Everyone might want to check their prices. My price was at 291 several days ago but today it jumped to 297. Not sure where the extra $6 came out of

John Kight

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039795#Comment_1039795

My price also increased by about $6... A response from Faithlife will soon follow... I hope.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039798#Comment_1039798

My price also increased by about $6...

My dynamic price also went up ~$7 (while noticing New resources went from 52 to 59 so roughly ~$1 more per new journal)

Keep Smiling [:)]

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1039801#Comment_1039801

My price also increased by about $6...

My dynamic price also went up ~$7 (while noticing New resources went from 52 to 59 so roughly ~$1 more per new journal)

Keep Smiling

I experienced the same thing. More new journals is great.