LINKING THE NASB WITH THE NKJV

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 10:15 AM

I was wondering why the corresponding duplicate notes in the NKJV appears specifcally where they do, eg in Mt4:4 why are there four note icons and some text, and then three note icons? Why at those positions? Viewing the interlinear may help.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 10:41 AM

Joseph Luna:
This is too much work to do by hand. I'm really surprised that helpdesk will not take the time to investigate this issue and find out why it's happening. 

I agree! The good news, however, is that I now know what is going on and everything is working "as expected." The bad news, however, is that you experience what you are seeing. It will be easier to illustrate with highlights. 

Users have wanted the ability for many years to have the highlights appear from one translation into another. Over the years I have tried to explain to them some of the challenges of doing so. It would be one thing if a highlight ALWAYS included the entire verse, but that is not how highlighting works. Highlights are notes of SELECTION. The selection is key! 

When you move from one translation to another, things like word order fly out the window. Consider the following screenshots. The first is the "source" translation (where the note was taken). 

The "one" note (brown highlighter) appears to be THREE notes in the second translation, although it is really just one single note. This is exactly what you are seeing, with the exception that you are not using highlighters but rather note indicators. 

Moving forward, you have three options: 

  1. Attach the notes to the reference instead.
  2. Attach the note to a single word. NOTE: This may not be foolproof. If you attach the note to a single word which becomes TWO (or more) words in another translation, you would have multiple note indicators again. 
  3. Continue to make the notes as you have, with the results you see.

This is not a "bug" but rather a necessary limitation of the software. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 10:43 AM

Joseph Luna:
It has nothing to do with the Greek.

Ah, but it does. 

The only way for Logos to know "where" to place the note indicator in a different translation is by using the underlying original language material. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 10:46 AM

Kevin:
why are there four note icons and some text, and then three note icons? Why at those positions? Viewing the interlinear may help.

Yes, but see my screenshots (posted after you did). The reason for the "duplicate" note indicators is a change in word order. 

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 11:33 AM

Thanks JT, that all makes sense now. Yes

Edit - except for example in the Matt4:4 screen shot there is no text selected in that anchor, also word order in English/Greek not that difference, and not matching note positions. Something deeper I think.

Joseph could you a multiview with the NASB95 and NKJV and interlinear showing?

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 12:20 PM

Kevin: Is this what you are looking for? 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 12:29 PM

Kevin:
Edit - except for example in the Matt4:4 screen shot there is no text selected in that anchor, also word order in English/Greek not that difference, and not matching note positions.

I think there may be several issues here, but I have diagnosed one. 

For a second issue, are you talking about this screen shot? 

If so, I think there may actually be duplicate notes (which was NOT the case with the other problem). 

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 1:28 PM

You are right JT, I can see the other NKJV notes in that list.

I did create a single note for my Mt4:4 NASB after selecting the full text, and showing corresponding notes in the NKJV, you can see in image below that the note does repeat. Interestingly there is a slight manuscript difference at that point, not sure if this is the reason for the repetition at that point?

Joesph no I think it is something sort of repeatable, although I cannot fully replicate your problem because I cannot create a NASB specific note without selecting some text.

Your 'Matthew 4:4 NASB' note in JT's post above does not have any text selected. I can only replicate this by choosing a blank space in the verse and adding a note, however that note will not appear as a corresponding note in other bibles, presumably because there is no greek selected, so I will have to assume your note somehow selects the whole verse without actually displaying the text in the anchor.

You can see in this image I have highlighted the text showing the selected area....your bible specific notes seem to not have this.

Did you create this particular note in the the old note system on Logos 7 or earlier? It may be that they used to anchor like that, I do not recall as had very little use of the old system. Not that I think this will help your current issue, I am just curious.

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 2:18 PM

Hi Kevin, just to clarify, are you aware that these note duplications are found all over the nkjv when I use the corresponding notes? Sometimes they are duplicated once or more than once, but I don't know why. I can find the duplicates at random if I look for them.  

As to your question, most of my created notes are old. They were made in Logos 7 or before. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 2:46 PM

I would be polite, but call FL back and make them spend the time to help you. If they don't let me know and I will raise some cane. 

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2019 2:49 PM

I will. Thank you, Yes

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