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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Aug 30 2019 6:04 AM

This morning I was wanting to look up the context of a passage that I already knew the reference too, but I thought "I'll just run the search and bring it up quicker" since I didn't know what volume it was in. Oddly, the search turned up empty.

I manually went and found what I was looking for and then copied and pasted the section I had attempted to search to see if I had written something wrong... No, the copy and paste of the sentence from my resource couldn't be found in my resources when I ran a search. 

The sentence in question is this: "Nor when injured injure in return, as the many imagine; for we must injure no one at all" - the source is The Dialogues of Plato, vol 2, B. Jowett (or Crito 49)

When running the search with quotation marks, nothing comes up. When running the search without quotation marks, too many returns are given and I cannot sift them all right now to see if the resource in which this quote appears is returned in the search.

Anyone else have this problem? Any ideas? It's a bit frustrating to think that I may not be able to find something that I in fact have in my library. 

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 6:41 AM

The search with quotes works fine for me but hit was in 

Origen, Philocalia 15.8

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 7:17 AM

Hi J

This is what I got...

But it seems that I don't have 'The dialogues of Plato'.  :-(

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 8:43 AM

Robert, you say that the return you got was Origen. Do you have the Plato resource in question? Mike also got the Origen return, but doesn't have the  Plato resource.

I don't have the Origen resource, but it did show up as a return in the bookstore section of the search. Here is a picture of my results. I've highlighted where there should be library returns (I get a return in my notes, because I have a note with the quote):

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 8:52 AM

So I ran other searches from other phrases and sentences in the same resource, and right around the sentence in question, and all of these turned up correct search results.

It seems I was unlucky enough this morning to need to find one of the few sentences that somehow wasn't indexed?

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Roy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 8:57 AM

I also received the same two hits that J. Remington Bowling received.

I also tried shortening the search string to just the first part of the quote with the same results.

However....

When searching on the last part of the quote I did get a hit in Plato

as you can see from the above screen shot.

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 9:11 AM

Yes I own the Dialogues of Plato volumes but they do not show up in the search 

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 9:26 AM

J. Remington Bowling:
When running the search with quotation marks, nothing comes up.

It may be stating the obvious, and I don't know if this is the issue in your case. When you search using quotation marks, the search string must match the way it is written in the resource(s) with expected hits.

For example:

In this screen shot I searched for a sentence I know is in the ESV Study Bible because I copied it from there.

However in this search I left out the "a" just before cruel. It returns no hits

I try to avoid using quotation marks in my searches. When I do use them, I try to limit the quote to a short phrase rather than an entire sentence or statement.

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Roy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 9:41 AM

Fred Chapman:
It may be stating the obvious, and I don't know if this is the issue in your case. When you search using quotation marks, the search string must match the way it is written in the resource(s) with expected hits.

For me at least, in this specific case, I also tried copying the search string from the resource itself.
I performed the in-line on that specific resource using the text copied from the same resource and still did not get a hit. Only when I shortened the search string to the end of the sentence (and used quotation marks) did I get a positive hit. 

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 10:05 AM

Thanks, Fred. As I mentioned, after looking up the reference manually I copied the sentence from the resource and then pasted it into the search engine, so there was an exact match.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 11:22 AM

When I run the search - using the string you posted in your orginal post - I do get the results from the Plato resources you were expecting

I am running Logos 8.8 beta 1 but I wouldn't expect that to make a difference.

To check if it is an indexing issue you could try just reindexing the specific resource - use the command "reindex dialogues of plato, vol. II" in the command box

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 3:53 PM

check out these two searches

I don't see how these results could be due to an indexing issue.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 4:58 PM

Robert Neely:
I don't see how these results could be due to an indexing issue.

I don't have any resources with this phrase. But Bookstore reflects the same issue, and only returns The Dialogues of Plato (2 resources) with the second search, whilst the Quotations from Plato is returned in both.

So, it would appear to be an indexing issue (the software) as opposed to a problem with your local indexing.

EDIT:  I posted a bug report in the Logos 8 forum.

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 5:24 PM

Dave Hooton:

EDIT:  I posted a bug report in the Logos 8 forum.

Thank you, sir.

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 30 2019 5:28 PM

Graham Criddle:

When I run the search - using the string you posted in your orginal post - I do get the results from the Plato resources you were expecting

I am running Logos 8.8 beta 1 but I wouldn't expect that to make a difference.

That's interesting, this bug must be fixed in 8.8

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 31 2019 1:27 AM

Robert Neely:
That's interesting, this bug must be fixed in 8.8

The Bookstore result is the same in 8.8 Beta 1.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 31 2019 3:02 AM

Robert Neely:

Graham Criddle:

When I run the search - using the string you posted in your orginal post - I do get the results from the Plato resources you were expecting

I am running Logos 8.8 beta 1 but I wouldn't expect that to make a difference.

That's interesting, this bug must be fixed in 8.8

I've just tested it on 8.7 SR-2 and get the same results

So I don't think 8.8 is going to fix this

I would try reindexing the resource as suggested above - although I do note that others are seeing the same issue!

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 31 2019 5:09 AM

I reindexed Vol. II of Dialogues of Plato and still have the issue.

Also, removed them all from my desktop, rebooted, downloaded them and waited for them to index.  Still get same results.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 31 2019 6:55 AM

Can you enable diagnostic logging and post logs after running the search and then closing down Logos?

Details at https://wiki.logos.com/Diagnostic_Logging 

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 31 2019 7:22 AM

I am doing a Rebuild Index now so it will be a while before i can post logs.

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