NASB PARAGRAPH VERSION

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Mar 28 2020 9:28 AM | Locked

I'm puzzled why the NASB95 has suddenly a perfect twin with apparent zero difference from the original. Am I missing something? 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 9:43 AM | Locked

HI Joseph

Are you referring to the 1995 update and the associated paragraph version - or something else?

If the former there was a long story about this - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/140455.aspx?PageIndex=1 is one of the threads where it is discussed

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 10:15 AM | Locked

Yes, I am referring to the associated paragraph version. Both the original and the paragraph version look identical to me. Could you tell me what's the difference? 

Thanks, 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 10:47 AM | Locked

The original ‘95 version had each verse on a new line. The paragraph version combined multiple verses into paragraphs.

If you are seeing them the same it is possible you have the “Bible text Only” visual filter set in the paragraph version to show one verse per line (sorry I can’t post a screenshot at the moment)

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 2:15 PM | Locked

Yes, I noticed that, but I prefer verse by verse instead of paragraphs. So, if that is the difference, there is really "no difference" for me. 

By the way, I think the NASB20 update is coming out this fall. As a new purchase, I just hope that the setting is not by paragraphs, but by verse by verse. I can do more things with the verse by verse than the paragraphs.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 3:32 PM | Locked

I too prefer this resource as it was originally dome by Lockman foundation in the verse by verse format and the additional formatting features that can not be produced in the paragraph version, even when you set it to a verse by verse filter. The paragraph version offers nothing additional and if you choose to hide it from your library you loose nothing except the ability to read in a paragraph format. 

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 3:43 PM | Locked

Yes there was a big hullabaloo over this. My understanding is that Logos originally produced the line by line version (way before my time). People started asking (over the course of years and years and years) for a paragraph version. Logos, (again, after many many years) finally produced the paragraph version users were asking for, but I guess they assumed EVERYONE wanted a paragraph version. So rather than providing the paragraph version as a separate resource, they converted the line by line version into a paragraph version (I was here for this part). This of course caused an uproar with people who love the line by line version because now their line by line version was gone and the 1-verse-at-a-time visual filter in Logos didn't give them the same quality of results in terms of appearance. But there were many of us (myself included) that didn't want to lose the paragraph version, so Logos finally relented and returned the original to the line by line format and offered the paragraph version for free as a separate resource. And thus we have two NASBs with the identical1995 text--one line by line version, and one paragraph version.

I hope they provide a paragraph version for the NASB20. They're probably not going to want to have to produce two versions but I fear they'll have too if they don't want to have another uproar.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 4:37 PM | Locked

Kiyah:
hullabaloo

I know you mean well,  but please do not call something you clearly have no knowledge about a  “big hullabaloo”.

To start with Faithlife did not produce the original version. The Lockman foundation produced it with formatting / layout choices that were specific and unique to that resource. 

New users who had no understanding of the specific features of this resource demanded a change to the resource to suit them. Faithlife wrongly went and changed this resource to suit the people make a noise and in the process destroyed what made this unique and was part of the reason people purchased it in the first place. In doing so they showed total disrespect to users who bought the resource for its original formatting and layout features.The  “big hullabaloo” as you unhelpfully want to call it was users whom both Faithlife and other users whom previously had no need to make a noise, made a noise and said Faithlife‘s action were not acceptable. They came to see they had done the wrong thing and came up with the compromise solution we now have. 

The 2020 version will be a new resource and Faithlife will be free to produce it as they see fit, by bringing it up you further show a lack of understanding of the issues of the previous version.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 5:25 PM | Locked

DIsciple II:

Kiyah:
hullabaloo

I know you mean well,  but please do not call something you clearly have no knowledge about a  “big hullabaloo”.

To start with Faithlife did not produce the original version. The Lockman foundation produced it with formatting / layout choices that were specific and unique to that resource. 

New users who had no understanding of the specific features of this resource demanded a change to the resource to suit them. Faithlife wrongly went and changed this resource to suit the people make a noise and in the process destroyed what made this unique and was part of the reason people purchased it in the first place. In doing so they showed total disrespect to users who bought the resource for its original formatting and layout features.The  “big hullabaloo” as you unhelpfully want to call it was users whom both Faithlife and other users whom previously had no need to make a noise, made a noise and said Faithlife‘s action were not acceptable. They came to see they had done the wrong thing and came up with the compromise solution we now have. 

The 2020 version will be a new resource and Faithlife will be free to produce it as they see fit, by bringing it up you further show a lack of understanding of the issues of the previous version.

I witnessed the hullabaloo right here on these forums. When I said produced, I meant that Logos produced the logos edition.

Please do not lecture me on these forums. I know we're all tired of being stuck at the house but no one on these forums is one of your children (certainly not me). If you have a different perspective on what happened you could have just stated that without being condescending. I can comment on anything I wish to comment on and you can respectfully disagree without telling me whether I should have commented in the first place.

The fact is that the change from the line by line version to the paragraph version caused an uproar. That's what I meant, I wasn't saying they didn't have a good reason to be frustrated (I actually understood their frustration), I'm just saying it created a controversy that Logos could only resolve by having two versions. I was reading the forums during that time (and even gave some input)) so I do in fact know something about it. I was just recounting what happened to explain why there are two versions, I wasn't making a value-judgment on whether or not people should have reacted how they reacted.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 6:12 PM | Locked

Like it or not you used inflammatory language that was uncalled for and you gave an inaccurate picture of what happened. If you don’t want to be called out for doing this then don’t make such comments and don’t drag up past issues which did not need to be dragged up in order to answer the OP’s question.

Either coo a ‘lecture’ on the chin when you use this sort of language or don’t use it and leave the past where it belongs instead of presenting it inaccurately. The OP was asking if there was any difference between the two and did not ask for someone to give their re-write of the past. 

Were you a user of Logos when this tesource was around as part of a bundle produced by the Lockman foundation? Were you a user of that original bundle? It seems to me you just wanted to get your vote in on what should happen with the 2020 edition of NASB. If you knew the facts you would have known your concern is not even an issue as FL will make the decisions not Lockman foundation.  This is a separate issue to the OP’s post and should not have been brought into the discussion. If you have a question or suggestion on your issue you should have created a new post.

Kiyah:

DIsciple II:

Kiyah:
hullabaloo

I know you mean well,  but please do not call something you clearly have no knowledge about a  “big hullabaloo”.

To start with Faithlife did not produce the original version. The Lockman foundation produced it with formatting / layout choices that were specific and unique to that resource. 

New users who had no understanding of the specific features of this resource demanded a change to the resource to suit them. Faithlife wrongly went and changed this resource to suit the people make a noise and in the process destroyed what made this unique and was part of the reason people purchased it in the first place. In doing so they showed total disrespect to users who bought the resource for its original formatting and layout features.The  “big hullabaloo” as you unhelpfully want to call it was users whom both Faithlife and other users whom previously had no need to make a noise, made a noise and said Faithlife‘s action were not acceptable. They came to see they had done the wrong thing and came up with the compromise solution we now have. 

The 2020 version will be a new resource and Faithlife will be free to produce it as they see fit, by bringing it up you further show a lack of understanding of the issues of the previous version.

I witnessed the hullabaloo right here on these forums. When I said produced, I meant that Logos produced the logos edition.

Please do not lecture me on these forums. I know we're all tired of being stuck at the house but no one on these forums is one of your children (certainly not me). If you have a different perspective on what happened you could have just stated that without being condescending. I can comment on anything I wish to comment on and you can respectfully disagree without telling me whether I should have commented in the first place.

The fact is that the change from the line by line version to the paragraph version caused an uproar. That's what I meant, I wasn't saying they didn't have a good reason to be frustrated (I actually understood their frustration), I'm just saying it created a controversy that Logos could only resolve by having two versions. I was reading the forums during that time (and even gave some input)) so I do in fact know something about it. I was just recounting what happened to explain why there are two versions, I wasn't making a value-judgment on whether or not people should have reacted how they reacted.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 6:25 PM | Locked

I'm sorry the word "hullabaloo" triggered you so, but I simply meant that it caused a stir. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory. I'm not going to bother debating with you any further. Have a nice evening.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 28 2020 6:30 PM | Locked

You to Kiyah, as I said in the first place I knew you meant well but you were not helpful. FL lost respect and trust by just going and replacing a resource in the manner they did in that instance and left users wondering what would be next that they just go and pull from under users feet and maybe not replace at all. They had the gumption to do it once so what is stopping them from doing it again.

Kiyah:

I'm sorry the word "hullabaloo" triggered you so, but I simply meant that it caused a stir. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory. I'm not going to bother debating with you any further. Have a nice evening.

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 29 2020 8:47 AM | Locked

I like the verse by verse version while having no use for the paragraph one. I hope that the 20 version respects their older customers preferences which was the original one. 

Thanks,

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 29 2020 9:34 AM | Locked

Joseph Luna:

Yes, I am referring to the associated paragraph version. Both the original and the paragraph version look identical to me. Could you tell me what's the difference? 

Thanks, 

The difference is in the paragraphs, that’s why it’s called, ”NASB 1995 - Paragraphed Version.” 😂 😜  It’s crazy, no? 
What won’t they think of next?

DAL

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 29 2020 10:24 AM | Locked

Joseph Luna:

I like the verse by verse version while having no use for the paragraph one. I hope that the 20 version respects their older customers preferences which was the original one. 

I am sure that FL will offer it in whichever format the translation committee / publisher sees fit. 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 29 2020 12:45 PM | Locked

Disciple II...you're attempt(s) to play Forum Cop are beginning to get out of hand. Kiyah is right...it WAS a hullabaloo, and I'm speaking as one of those who prefers the verse-by-verse presentation and ranted vociferously about the removal of it. It is fundamental to the way I take notes going back over a dozen years. If the word "hullabaloo" means what the dictionary says, then it applies to the fiasco that erupted over the NASB95's altered presentation. I'm not sure if you are having qualms about the definition of "hullabaloo" and how it got used, or if you mistakenly felt that Kiyah was going light on FL by using a word you feel wasn't tough enough. Either way, put the badge away. From my perspective, it is your comments that are...

DIsciple II:
inflammatory language that was uncalled for

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 29 2020 3:59 PM | Locked


Well, I learned a new word today.  I’ll use it some day in a sentence.  BTW, no need to make a hullabaloo out of this thread.  Let’s resolve to just get along 👍😁👌


DICTIONARY hul·la·ba·loo /ˌhələbəˈlo͞o,ˈhələbəˌlo͞o/   noun INFORMAL
  1. a commotion; a fuss. "remember all the hullabaloo over the golf ball?"
    synonyms: fusscommotionuproarhubbuboutcryfurorruckusadopalaverbrouhahahue and cryMore
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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 29 2020 8:29 PM | Locked

David Paul:
Disciple II...you're attempt(s) to play Forum Cop are beginning to get out of hand.

And what are you playing at right now David ? I am not playing at anything.  I simply responded to this post and in particular Kiyah's post on it's merits.

I stated from the outset I realized Kiyah meant no harm but the post all the same was inaccurate and did contained inflammatory language.  And we ended our discussion on an agreement to leave the discussion there, we both expressed what we felt needed to be expressed and had move on from it.

No show to see, move on folks, except of course for David Paul who couldn't help but stir the pot further. 

Faithlife did grieve the silent users who were happy with the NASB95 as it was produced by the Lockman foundation. Faithlife broke their own rules and went ahead at took that file out of everyone's library and replaced it with something completely different because of noise from some quarters.  They wanted to reduce the noise and ignore the impact they would have on the one silent up until now because they were happy. But now not happy they were no longer silent.  And you are rude enough to say all they were doing is creating a 'hullabaloo' over nothing.  It that is the case, if your dictionary definition is what it was about then FL should have ignored the people who made the original 'hullabaloo', as you define it, over NASB95 not being in paragraph format and stuck to their golden rule of always producing resources based on the file format provided to them. If the issue was nothing and FL did that, we would not be having this discussion. But no they ignore that rule to not change the file formatting provided to them by publishers and caused themselves a massive headache on what to do to fix the problem they created and along with the resulting division amongst users on the forums which you want to now continue because you see yourself superior, while Kiyah and I had already put it to bed. 

You should no better than to suggest that the lexical meaning in a dictionary is the be all and end all when it comes to language. Context trumps the basic lexical meaning of any word and it has been used in the discussion of this topic to belittle those silent users form who FL took something from them they had purchased and replaced it with something that was less than what they had purchased. And if you David Paul somehow see yourself superior to those who wanted the NASB95 kept as they purchased it, then take note of your namesake the Apostle Paul, you are the one that needs to make concessions to those whom you consider your 'weaker' brother and not the other way around as you are saying should be the case with your contextually inflammatory usage of certain words.

I will continue to respond to posts on their merit nothing more, nothing less, you are no more the forum cop than I am. So practice what you want to preach to others rather than contradicting yourself. And next time, put your dictionary down and consider the impact of words upon people based on the context in which they are used and how they will receive those words a result of that context.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 31 2020 1:39 AM | Locked

Wow, what a mess.

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