Which Discourse Features Do You Use? When Do You Use It?

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, May 19 2020 10:24 AM

Do you find that there are particular discourse features functioning in Greek that don't translate well into English? In that case, I'm wondering if it would make sense to leave those particular discourse features enabled constantly to make sure that they are not missed as opposed to treating them as a specialty tool to be enabled as needed. 

Which features have you found particularly helpful in your work/study?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2020 11:24 AM

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At best, discource features are a proposition ... maybe significant, maybe not. Especially when the original recipients were largely 2nd-language (eg Pentecost). Opening full-time is good for learning, but soon a crutch. Better, similar to a commentary ... specific issues.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2020 11:35 AM

Nick Steffen:
Which features have you found particularly helpful in your work/study?

I am firmly of the school that the various parsings of linguistics, at any level, are tools to be used in the initial stages of learning a language and tools to be used by doing the parsing yourself throughout your career. This goes along with a belief that if you can't do it yourself, you don't understand what you are looking at when someone does it for you. That said, all the supplied parsings (filter or commentary) are useful to view when trying to understand the differences of opinion on the meaning of the text. Then again, I should admit that I love to focus on the ambiguities of the text - more to chew on than when there a single, clear meaning.

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2020 12:56 PM

MJ. Smith:
That said, all the supplied parsings (filter or commentary) are useful to view when trying to understand the differences of opinion on the meaning of the text.

Agreed, MJ. I do like bringing more attention/resources to areas that seem ambiguous or could cause confusion and less to areas that seem clear. But to be honest, I'm very new to the discourse analysis tools and vocabulary and am still learning how they can help us to read better. 

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2020 12:59 PM

Denise:
At best, discource features are a proposition ... maybe significant, maybe not. Especially when the original recipients were largely 2nd-language (eg Pentecost). Opening full-time is good for learning, but soon a crutch. Better, similar to a commentary ... specific issues.

Good point, I appreciate that, Denise. 

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2020 2:56 PM

Nick Steffen:

In that case, I'm wondering if it would make sense to leave those particular discourse features enabled constantly

What did you mean by that?

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2020 3:02 PM

Lee:
What did you mean by that?

My thinking was that if a particular discourse feature was generally not being communicated in translation, then perhaps users would be better served by constantly leaving that particular visual filter on in general rather than turning discourse features on and off in order to study particular linguistic facets. 

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2020 3:27 PM

No idea how that would be expressed as a visual filter, let alone how that would help regular users.

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2020 3:54 PM

You could go into the discourse list and simply click one of the particular filters rather than the entire group of filters. Or, if you'd like to customize it further, there's a discourse analysis visual filter on the Logos Visual Filters group that would offer something of a template for how it could be expressed otherwise. As to how it would help regular users, I would see it doing what many of (in my mind) the best Logos features do best, relatively unobtrusively drawing attention to a path the user may not think of taking otherwise and providing a powerful tool to explore it.

That being said, as I mentioned to MJ above, I am still learning to the basics of discourse analysis (reading the grammar, the documentation, learning the mechanics of the tools, etc), but am still trying to understand when to use it and when not to.

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