BUG: Corresponding Selection Behaving Unpredictably

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Raoul Comninos | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jun 15 2020 6:59 PM

When I try to use "Corresponding Selection" it does not always work. Sometimes it does, and then suddenly, for no reason, it will stop and I will need to restart Logos again to get it to work. Any ideas at solving this problem would be appreciated. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 15 2020 7:26 PM

What are the resources (and references) in which you are having the problem?
Are you on Mac or PC?

How long are you waiting before deciding it isn't working?

We need this basic information before we can look at what may be causing the problem.

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Raoul Comninos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 15 2020 7:49 PM

What are the resources (and references) in which you are having the problem?

The specific resources are these: KJV 1900, Cambridge Paragraph Bible 1873, RSV Reverse Interlinear, NIV

Are you on Mac or PC?

PC

How long are you waiting before deciding it isn't working?

LONG

The problem is intermittent and unpredictable. 

It happens regardless of whether I use the SBLGNT or Scrivener 1881 as my base Greek text. See how that in the image below Corresponding Selection is not working in the NIV or RSV. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 15 2020 8:12 PM

For some documentation see: 

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

That answer is very out-of-date. Some more recent answers:

Most NTs are aligned with SBLGNT. The OT is aligned with LHB.

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):

In Logos, you can find out the source of the alignment text by viewing resource information. Look for the "Reverse Interlinear" section. 

Note that translations of the Hebrew OT are always aligned with the Lexham Hebrew Bible.

This doesn't necessarily answer the question "which text did the translators use?" (sometimes difficult or impossible to answer) but will tell you where the text you see in Logos comes from.

Without the references which have caused the problem, I can't trace the issue but I would suspect that it is a matter of what is/is not included in the text used for alignment. I doubt that a restart is necessary to reset the alignment but ...

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Raoul Comninos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 15 2020 8:20 PM

I don't think the underlying text is the reason because if a selected portion of text fails to show it does show after a restart. 

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Raoul Comninos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 15 2020 8:56 PM

One other quirk related to this problem which makes me suspect a bug is that sometimes after I try to use Corresponding Selection in a text, and thereafter click the down verse arrow to go to the next verse, it jumps to the start of the same chapter. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 16 2020 7:01 PM

logosed:

I don't think the underlying text is the reason because if a selected portion of text fails to show it does show after a restart. 

I get unpredictable behaviour with two resources (ESV/SBLGNT). At the moment, it is not working at all!

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Raoul Comninos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 26 2020 4:05 AM

Thanks for your post Dave. Thought I was the only one. Its a pity that such a great feature does not work reliably. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 28 2020 12:06 AM

Bump to Faithlife.

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Joe McCune (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 1 2020 3:20 PM

Dave and logosed,

I am sorry that you have not received a FL response sooner.

I am not able to duplicate the problems that you describe.

Can either or both of you confirm that this is still a problem for you?  Or can other users reading this confirm it is a problem for them?

Is this still a problem for you if you restart Logos, and immediately try using this tool with only one English Bible and the SBLGNT? 

Does the problem only occur if you are using this tool with several resources simultaneously?

If this is only happening sporadically, can you give some idea of how often it happens?

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Raoul Comninos | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 2 2020 4:39 AM

Yes, this is still a problem. The sympathetic highlighting is temperamental. It disappears without warning and can be righted by changing the translation and then changing it back. The problem occurs for me in all Strong's tagged versions linked to SBL or Scrivener 1881. It is not always righted by a restart, but sometimes is. I cannot predict when this will happen although I have tried several configurations.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2020 2:27 PM

Joe McCune (Faithlife):
Can either or both of you confirm that this is still a problem for you?

It wasn't working between ESV & SBLGNT, so I switched to NA28 with the same result. Then it started to work. It is least successful with one or two words, more successful with 3 or more selected, but it will fail as I continue to select words!

Using touchpad.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 4 2020 11:26 PM

logosed:
One other quirk related to this problem which makes me suspect a bug is that sometimes after I try to use Corresponding Selection in a text, and thereafter click the down verse arrow to go to the next verse, it jumps to the start of the same chapter. 

Earlier screen shot showed many resources in Link Set A, which includes Geneva Bible Notes. If Link Set A is located at 1 Corinthians 11:30, then navigating down one verse in a Bible sends 1 Corinthians 11:31 location to other resources in Link Set A. Geneva Bible Notes goes from 1 Corinthians 11:30 to 1 Corinthians 12:1 so sends location update of 1 Corinthians 12:1 to other resources in Link Set A, which causes Bibles to jump over 1 Corinthians 11:32-34 to the start of the next chapter (Link Set navigation working as designed).

Screen shot shows Multi-View Resources feature is not enabled so may want to consider purchasing Logos 8 Fundamentals

Encountered Corresponding Selection bug in 8.15 Beta 1 on macOS 10.15.5 by selecting "is Paul" in KJV 1 Corinthians 3:5 that highlights Paul correctly in SBLGNT, but highlights the "is" verb for Apollos in SBLGNT. Arrows show corresponding selection words that should be highlighted:

Screen shot also shows Multi-View Resources. Geneva Bible Notes follow KJV 1900 navigation (plus can be scrolled without changing KJV 1900 location). Greek Apparatus follows Greek New Testament location changes. Both Geneva Bible Notes and Greek Apparatus skip over verses (so unwise to link with Bibles for verse by verse navigation). For example, Geneva Bible Notes skips from 1 Corinthians 3:21 to 1 Corinthians 4:1

Personally prefer Visual Filter Highlighting of Logos Greek Morphology, which can be used with Corresponding Words: Lemma & Root.

Screen shot shows Paul clicked in 1 Corinthians 3:5 (KJV 1900) that causes corresponding Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:4 to be highlighted in KJV 1900 and highlights both Paul's in SBLGNT. Logos wiki has => Examples of visual filters (Visual Filter documents can be freely copied for your use).

Also prefer to hide chapter and verse numbering, which were added ~500 years ago for use in concordance(s). A number of chapter and verse numeric alignments are in the middle of original language thoughts. Right click on a word shows numeric location.

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