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Josh Gherghel | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Sep 26 2020 10:16 PM

Hi, I was wondering if it would be possible to use the apple lookup feature with three-finger-click or ctrl-cmd-d shortcut inside logos 8? The dictionary tends to be better, faster and cleaner than the information panel dictionary. Is this something you guys can incorporate in an update or something? I am a macbook user and this would be extremely helpful for me.

Otherwise, it seems like Logos is not defining all english words through the dictionary it carries. Like the word "subjected", it takes me to a bible concordance and not my webster or oxford dictionary. This is a probably more of an issue with not tagging to the word "subject" which my logos dictionaries carry but this is not the only word it does this too. It happens to many english words and it can get a tad bit frustrating. As a software that takes pride in language and words, defining any english word should work flawlessly. In the same way that you guys worked so hard for us to define every greek or hebrew word, please make it just as seamless for the english word. 

Another possible option would be to integrate google search in the program like you do with wikipedia. But that could just complicate things. Logos needs to make the english dictionary a lot better by updating to web based versions of the webster and oxford dictionaries or something. PLEASE! 

But on a bright side, I am so thankful to God for this program. Thank you all for working so hard on making this program better and better every year. I can't wait till Logos 9 comes out in a month or so. hahahaha. Peace and Grace!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 4:33 AM

Josh Gherghel:
it seems like Logos is not defining all english words through the dictionary it carries. Like the word "subjected", it takes me to a bible concordance and not my webster or oxford dictionary.

This is because the concordance is Prioritized ahead of your dictionaries - see Prioritizing resources for this. If  neither are listed, it will be because of Logos' default prioritization - just add the dictionaries to your list. The usual preference with bible products is to prioritize bible dictionaries and bible concordances ahead of normal language dictionaries in case the word is not a 'bible' word.

If you right click a word and choose "Selection" in the menu (left side), you will see a list of possible resources on the other side, under Look up.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 5:20 AM

Josh Gherghel:
Like the word "subjected", it takes me to a bible concordance and not my webster or oxford dictionary.

Search {Headword subjected} finds all resources in your library for Headword Lookup. Right Click shows Top Five in prioritized order.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 8:06 AM

Josh Gherghel:
Hi, I was wondering if it would be possible to use the apple lookup feature with three-finger-click or ctrl-cmd-d shortcut inside logos 8? The dictionary tends to be better, faster and cleaner than the information panel dictionary.

Josh

I am old enough to remember a promise to provide a programme 'built for the Mac from the ground up'. It never materialised.

The three finger look up, as it seems to work for almost every other programme that I use should not be hard to incorporate but I never has been. I to find it frustrating. 

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Josh Gherghel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 10:35 AM

Hi Dave and keep smiling, thx for responding. Yeah I forgot to mention that I tried the prioritizing thing as well. I put all my dictionaries at the top. And it still doesn't work. To confirm, I actually opened up both of my dictionaries and typed in the word "subjected" and it still doesn't recognize it because the word was never put in the dictionary. It has subjugated but not subjected. But if you go to the online dictionaries for webster and oxford concise, they have it in those. Hence, the dictionaries themselves are outdated and need to be constantly updated by the web one.  I hat eto make a big deal about it and don't mind going to be chrome browser and typing it in, but I just found it as such a primitive task that I thought logos would have that down seamlessly. I spent many thousands in this software and it can't do a simple task that is seamless in cheaper book reader apps. That is all. But I do have to surrender this irritation. It's from the flesh. So may I surrender it now to Jesus. Thx again! 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 12:03 PM

Josh Gherghel:
because the word was never put in the dictionary

Rule of thumb: Dictionaries are ordered by lemma. Derivative forms like subjects, subjected, subjecting are rarely included and depend upon some stemming routine. The exception is when the derivative forms are irregular.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Josh Gherghel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 6:23 PM

Hey Mj, thanks for the reply. Yeah I quickly found that out. But as I mentioned, I tested it out on the web based webster dictionary and they already made the connection with subjected. So maybe it will be useful to connect the respective english dictionaries to be updated or draw from their web database. But that may be too hard maybe. By the way, you can test it yourself. Open in Logos either the webster or concise oxford and type in subjected. It wont do anything. But go to either one of their websites and type in subjected, it will take you to the word subject and when you scroll down, you will find the word subjected under verb form of Subject. My whole aim is to have a seamless experience from word to definition and not having to figure out the lemma and then go to the dictionary myself and open it up and then type in the word subject. That to me is not seamless. 

On that note, I don't own collins but it seems like that is something Logos does with the collins dictionary. In the description of the product, it says: "All definitions, examples, idioms and usage notes are based on the Collins Word Web—an unrivalled and constantly updated 2.5 billion-word database of today's English." Can someone confirm that this product does in fact draw from the online database before I buy it? I would hate to have a third dictionary that is outdated like the first two. The reason I need a confirmation is because in the comments sections, someone does in fact say that this dictionary is outdated. hahahahaha..... 

Thx!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 6:40 PM

Yes, there are dictionaries that go farther than others of documenting the morphological forms. For myself, I have no interest in the extra storage (and/or sometimes processing) that such "enhancements" require. I am much more interested in putting that space available for etymological history.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Josh Gherghel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 10:09 PM

Yeah, focusing on the etymological history is nice. What are some of the resources that you use to accomplish this? 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 11:01 PM

You might find the comment at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/129766/845504.aspx#845504 (and the whole thread) interesting here.

I don't have the Collins resource so can't comment specifically.

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Josh Gherghel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 1 2020 9:54 PM

Bought collins. Way better than webster and oxford. Oh my, so good. It defines everything. And the layout is so simple and easy to read. I recommend fully. The best dictionary so far in Logos. Thanks to all. My issue has been resolved with collins. God Bless!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 1 2020 10:50 PM

Josh Gherghel:
Bought collins. Way better than webster and oxford. Oh my, so good. It defines everything. And the layout is so simple and easy to read.

Glad it worked - thanks for letting us know

Josh Gherghel:
I recommend fully. The best dictionary so far in Logos.

Based on your recommendation, I bought it! Many thanks....

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 2 2020 5:56 AM

I always love a good dictionary but I almost spit out my coffee when I saw the price of the Collins one... not to mention how out of date it is.  I do hope Logos adds a more up-to-date dictionary in the future

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Joseph Sollenberger | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 2 2020 1:40 PM

Mattillo, those were my thoughts as well.

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Josh Gherghel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 2 2020 2:21 PM

Hey Graham, if you get annoyed by simple words not being defined, you won't be upset with collins. It picks up on every english word so far. And the layout is really nice. I put it as my first time priority with webster and oxford second. But yeah, it works great. I am grateful for it. Cheers!

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