Barnes is on the Move

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Scott Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 7:56 AM

Hey it's the weekend! Aren't we supoosed to push for Barnes on community pricing, so I'll have something to watch as I work. http://www.logos.com/communitypricing/details/2132

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:08 AM

Scott Warren:
so I'll have something to watch as I work.

kind of like Astroturf growing.  Stick out tongue

I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

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Lester Busald | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:12 AM

When it gets to 85% then it will start getting interesting, but till then........

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:18 AM

Lester Busald:

When it gets to 85% then it will start getting interesting, but till then........

Lester, the odd thing is that I have read that Barnes has experienced by far the MOST participation of any pre-pub.  It's not that people don't want it.  It's that people are not bidding enough for Logos to cover costs.  I just upped my bid the other day by $5.  (not a lot, I know).  Wonder what would happen if every bidder did that?

I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:32 AM

Dan DeVilder:

Lester Busald:

When it gets to 85% then it will start getting interesting, but till then........

Lester, the odd thing is that I have read that Barnes has experienced by far the MOST participation of any pre-pub.  It's not that people don't want it.  It's that people are not bidding enough for Logos to cover costs.  I just upped my bid the other day by $5.  (not a lot, I know).  Wonder what would happen if every bidder did that?

Well, if everyone who has bid less than $30 would move their bid to $30, it would be over 90%.  If everyone moved their bid to at least $35, it would be over 100%.  FWIW, I'm in at $40.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:53 AM

Ron Keyston Jr:

Dan DeVilder:

Lester Busald:

When it gets to 85% then it will start getting interesting, but till then........

Lester, the odd thing is that I have read that Barnes has experienced by far the MOST participation of any pre-pub.  It's not that people don't want it.  It's that people are not bidding enough for Logos to cover costs.  I just upped my bid the other day by $5.  (not a lot, I know).  Wonder what would happen if every bidder did that?

Well, if everyone who has bid less than $30 would move their bid to $30, it would be over 90%.  If everyone moved their bid to at least $35, it would be over 100%.  FWIW, I'm in at $40.

Where do you get your numbers? I'm not challenging you, I just don't see access to those kinds of figures on the page.

BTW, I think the reason it's not moving is because it costs way more than any other community pricing product to date. Bid what it's worth to you, not what you think you can get it for. Up till now the bids people have put in have shown Logos it's not worth it financially to publish this work, since most people aren't willing to pay anywhere near what it costs to publish.

I've been in for a long time at $70.

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Scott Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:55 AM

I'm in at $90. I've used this for years at the libray and in the previous bible software I used. I really would like to get it tied in with logos instead of having to have two programs open.

 I did a quick search and found that studylight. org has Barnes notes where they can be viewed online http://www.studylight.org/com/bnn/ . Maybe if you are trying to see if it is worth it this will help.

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 9:20 AM

Richard DeRuiter:

Ron Keyston Jr:

Well, if everyone who has bid less than $30 would move their bid to $30, it would be over 90%.  If everyone moved their bid to at least $35, it would be over 100%.  FWIW, I'm in at $40.

Where do you get your numbers? I'm not challenging you, I just don't see access to those kinds of figures on the page.

BTW, I think the reason it's not moving is because it costs way more than any other community pricing product to date. Bid what it's worth to you, not what you think you can get it for. Up till now the bids people have put in have shown Logos it's not worth it financially to publish this work, since most people aren't willing to pay anywhere near what it costs to publish.

I've been in for a long time at $70.

Hi Richard,

No problem.  It is determined based on the current percentage for the $10 level.  Since any bid counts as a bid for the price you are bidding as well as a bid for every price below your bid, then the lowest price point represents bids by everyone who has bid on the resource at any price.  Knowing that, you can extrapolate what price the resource could go for based on the total number of bidders.

Using Barnes for the example, we can tell that the $10 price point is currently slightly over 30% of the way to covering production costs.  Since a $30 bid covers 3x the costs of a $10 bid, that would mean that if everybody who has bid at least $10 changes their bid to at least $30, the $30 level would cover over 90% of the costs...or if everybody moved to $35 or higher, then the $35 level would be at 3.5 x 30%(+) or 105%.

Hope that helps! Smile

I agree with your comments about it costing more than any other CP product to date.  It is far larger than anything else that has been offered on CP and therefore the production costs are higher.  With that said though, there are enough bidders in the current pool to cover production costs at $35 or come very close to covering them at $30.  The "problem" is that a number of them are still sitting on bids between $10 and $25.  I'm not saying that people should bid more than their current bid if they don't think it is worth more than that, I'm just pointing out that it can be accomplished with the current number of bidders...and at a good price.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 11:32 AM

I have upped my bid twice now and am currently sitting at $60. I agree that if all the people who have bid $10 or $15 upped their bid to $30 or $40, we'd get over the top. And as well all know, once it gets over the top and there's a final deadline, there's a sudden rush of all the others who don't want to be left out, and then the price usually goes down some more. Logos says the estimated pre-pub price is $89.95, so even if it ends up going in CP for $40 it would be under half that. And I'm guessing we can get it for $30 or less.

So, low-ball bidders, up your bid!

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:36 PM

I've had my bid at $90.00 for quite a while just to speed things up.

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garry Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 1:23 PM

I,ve put mine up to $90 as well come on Barnes

Bro Garry

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Lester Busald | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:22 PM

I originally put in a $30.00 bid way back, and about a month ago upped it to $60.00.

Was just wondering if it is going to be worth it since some of the reviews don't look that good.  I did see that spurgeon said the old testament was good along with the epistles. 

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 1:58 PM

Personally , Barnes is one of my favorite commentaries. Theologically very conservative yet more concise than Gill, Calvin..........

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 3 2010 12:38 AM

Lester Busald:
I did see that spurgeon said the old testament was good along with the epistles. 

And that overall it was good for ministers and Sunday School teachers!Smile

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garry Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 3 2010 9:29 AM

HI logos if you are reading there has been discussion on theses notes saying there are enough people bidding just not the right amount, can you send a flyer to all account holders, or just those who have bid and ask them to raise the bid by enough to produce the resource?  Also as the resource can be viewed on line for free ! can you not produce it anyway, as a lot of us have been waiting a long long time for this resource !, or can we have the personal book builder asap so that we can add resources like this ourselves, i know they would not be linked as well but we would be able to use it.

Otherwise i am hopping there will be enough extra interest in this resource over the coming months to have it produced.

Also is there a user forum specifically for requesting new resources, and discussing ways of speeding things up.

 

Thanks 

Garry

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 3 2010 11:07 AM

garry Hill:
Also is there a user forum specifically for requesting new resources, and discussing ways of speeding things up.

If you want to engage in discussions about your suggestions, then the Suggestions forum is the place to do it (it's both for suggested new features or improvements to the software as well as suggested resources). But realize that the forum is not necessarily going to get the attention of the people within Logos who have the decision making responsibility. The best way to do that is email your suggestions to suggest (at) logos (dot) com. If you've managed to drum up a lot of enthusiasm about your suggestion by posting it on the forum, then include a link to that thread in your email.

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garry Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 11 2010 8:58 AM

Barns notes seems to have got stuck again can anyone else raise there bid or make one if you haven't yet, lets get it moving again, and logos if your listening please do a flyer on barns notes !

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Praiser | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 11 2010 11:08 AM

I believe that one of the reasons this has been sitting for so long, is that at least two other Bible software programs include this in their base packages.  I have Barnes Notes in two other programs so purchasing it for Logos will be a third copy for me. I would also suspect that if it ever makes it to development, that it will eventually appear in Logos base packages at some point in time.

I have put a bid on this to have it in Logos though.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 11 2010 1:42 PM

I love this thread!  Now that pesky Alexander Whyte (Stick out tongue) has moved on we can concentrate on rescuing Barnes from the sordid perils of...

 

...THE BOTTOM OF THE CP PAGE.

I maxed out my bid and will name my first child "Barnes".

(...no not really on the latter)

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garry Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 12 2010 1:53 AM

Hi Logos (if your reading ?),

Did you read the comment about other programmes includding it in there base packages ? Well doesn't that mean you should include it in yours lots of people use it and get other packages to use it other than logos?  Which may be why not enough people are bidding as they have it in another program.

And logos users if we all bid we can get this large resource for only a few dollars, so lets all get bidding and save it from the bottom of the CP page !

Bro Garry

Christadelphian

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