Hints needed: wildcard *Greek* search and/or find all words of a given TVM?

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Pete Holzmann | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 18 2021 4:15 PM

I am motivated to do some new Bible study, digging in hard in ways that are new to me. Sadly, I can't find a way to accomplish the searches I need.

SO... I'm hoping someone here has a hint or two!

What I want to do, just for example:

* Find all (greek) verb usage that fits certain T/V/M parameters, such as

  • Aorist AND Third Person
  • Aorist AND Imperative
  • etc

Happy to limit to one or more books to constrain search time.

My challenge: I have not discovered how, or whether, Logos supports any kind of wildcard search in greek or morphs. None of the examples and tutorials I've seen go into this type of thing.

I don't actually read greek, so I assume I need to be using lemmas to do this ;) ... but am willing to go the extra mile to link greek and english verses after the fact.

Any/all help MUCH appreciated!

Pete

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Karl Fritz Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2021 4:30 PM

How about this article and video.  Looks like it has what you need:

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017524952-Morph-Search

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2021 5:22 PM

Pete Holzmann:
I don't actually read greek, so I assume I need to be using lemmas to do this ;) ... but am willing to go the extra mile to link greek and english verses after the fact.

Thankful for Search having +Add Versions so Greek words found by Morph Search can have corresponding word highlighted in English. Greek verb conjugation changes spelling to show Tense, Voice, Mood, pronoun suffix (plus participles have noun spelling characteristics). Lemma is the Lexicon (Dictionary) entry for verb spelling of Present (Tense), Active (Voice), Indicative (Mood), First Person (1), Singular (S).

Pete Holzmann:

* Find all (greek) verb usage that fits certain T/V/M parameters, such as

  • Aorist AND Third Person

Pete Holzmann:

* Find all (greek) verb usage that fits certain T/V/M parameters, such as

  • Aorist AND Imperative

The Greek New Testament: SBL Edition is included in free => Lexham Intro Collection (5 vols.)

Aorist is the least expressive Greek verb tense showing action happened. Other tenses have more expressive: e.g. Perfect is completed action with ongoing results, Imperfect is continuous action in past time, Present is continuous action in present time.

My favorite Logos & Verbum application feature is Visual Filter Highlighting, which lets me "see" nuanced range of Greek verbal expression in resources having Logos Greek Morphology tagging (Original Language resources & Reverse Interlinear Bibles)

Logos Wiki Extended Tips for Highlighting and Visual Filters includes:

Karl Fritz Jr.:

How about this article and video.  Looks like it has what you need:

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017524952-Morph-Search

Logos Wiki also has Morph Search

Faithlife How to Guides include: How to Learn Biblical Greek & How to Do a Bible Word Study & How to Use a Greek Lexicon

FWIW: learning Greek provides more meaning for phrase: "That's Greek to Me" (as can read parts of Greek while other places are Greek to me)

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Pete Holzmann | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2021 9:02 PM

The Morph Search video didn't help -- that's where I started.

However, your examples were HUGE.

AND -- I can do that search directly on any reverse interlinear Bible.

Not sure why it didn't work for me the first time around. Sure works now. MAYBE because I started with right-click on a greek word and modified from there, rather than just typing in the search window.

THANK YOU!

And yes that search highlight sure looks useful ;)

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Pete Holzmann | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2021 9:27 PM

Hmmm... I did accomplish a few... and then quickly got stuck. I think I'm getting the hang of this.

Now I want to negate. Example: g:agapao and NOT @VA

How to construct this?

Thank you SOOOooo much!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2021 10:11 PM

Pete Holzmann:
Example: g:agapao and NOT @VA

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2021 7:54 AM

Pete Holzmann:
Now I want to negate. Example: g:agapao and NOT @VA

A Morph Search will give you a table of Morph Codes from which you can add or negate.

Type g:agapao and select the lemma symbol  ==> lemma:ἀγαπάω

Type @ to get the table of Morph Codes ==>  lemma:ἀγαπάω@

Then select Verb. As you don't want Aorist tense, select all the other tenses. That will give you lemma:ἀγαπάω@V[^A]  to search with.  

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Pete Holzmann | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2021 10:10 AM

Wow. You guys are awesome :-D

Thanks!

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