Sentence Diagrammer Request: rotate text

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jul 17 2010 3:14 PM | Locked

I'd like to be able to grab text (or right click on it) and rotate it (at least by 45 degree increments, or any angle that is allowed for lines by the snap-to-grid functionality; it looks like 22.5 degrees is the finest increment allowed), so that I put text along the diagonal lines, as in this diagram generated by an online Reed-Kellog Sentence Diagrammer:

This is the closest approximation I've been able to come up with using Logos, but it's not ideal:

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 3:19 PM | Locked

I agree. The first diagram is worth pursuing the capability of.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 3:38 PM | Locked

+1  Yes

I agree Rosie, this is basic for my usage.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 3:39 PM | Locked

Agreed!

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Ken F Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 3:56 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
I'd like to be able to grab text (or right click on it) and rotate it

I agree.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 4:14 PM | Locked

Well, so far it seems unanimous! I haven't seen anyone who disagrees or thinks it would be too hard to implement. Smile

So, c'mon, let's do it, Logos!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 5:54 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
so that I put text along the diagonal lines, as in this diagram

The flavor of Reed-Kellogg I was taught in grade school didn't write on the diagonal. Now I've discovered it's advantage.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 6:07 PM | Locked

MJ. Smith:

Rosie Perera:
so that I put text along the diagonal lines, as in this diagram

The flavor of Reed-Kellogg I was taught in grade school didn't write on the diagonal. Now I've discovered it's advantage.

Yeah, the book Diagrammatical Analysis (that's available in Logos) explicitly says, "Always write on the horizontal base line," as it's first rule.  Here's how it says to diagram a prepositional phrase:

But I think it's less useful for quickly seeing the structure that way. Diagonal lines (with diagonal words) make better use of space and make the modifier words more clearly associated with the word being modified. IMO

EDIT: Schreiner (in Interpreting the Pauline Epistles) also only uses horizonal words, but he does things even more differently than I'm used to:

 

Rotatable words please!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 6:38 PM | Locked

Todd Phillips:
Diagonal lines (with diagonal words) make better use of space and make the modifier words more clearly associated with the word being modified

Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog: The Quirky History and Lost Art of Diagramming Sentences shows curved words on its cover:

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 6:50 PM | Locked

MJ. Smith:
Sister Bernadette's Barking Dog: The Quirky History and Lost Art of Diagramming Sentences shows curved words on its cover

Ooo, after reading the second chapter in that book on Google books, I have to get it.   It presents us with this wonderful diagram of a Woody Allen quote:

And shows that diagrams don't always make things clearer:

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 6:52 PM | Locked

Todd Phillips:
I have to get it.

It is great fun!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 6:53 PM | Locked

Here's a bizarre introduction to sentence diagramming based on the Reed-Kellogg method, illustrated with characters from Touhou animated video games:

http://aslancross.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/diagramming.ppt

It uses diagonals.

Here's the tough test example they give at the end of a sentence for you to try diagramming: 

The defenders of Gensokyo, who are incredibly-skilled warriors, are fighting tirelessly to protect the realm from invaders who wish to take their beloved land, but the mysterious enemy who is coming might be too strong for them to defeat.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 17 2010 6:54 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
Here's the tough test example they give at the end of a sentence for you to try diagramming

Which is why I use tree diagrams for clarity, Reed-Kellogg for fun ...

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2010 12:33 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:

I'd like to be able to grab text (or right click on it) and rotate it (at least by 45 degree increments, or any angle that is allowed for lines by the snap-to-grid functionality; it looks like 22.5 degrees is the finest increment allowed), so that I put text along the diagonal lines, as in this diagram generated by an online Reed-Kellog Sentence Diagrammer:

 

Yes please 

up to 90 degrees for me both directions, if we can have text any angle from 0-90degrees  will fix most situations

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2010 1:15 AM | Locked

DominicM:
up to 90 degrees for me both directions, if we can have text any angle from 0-90degrees  will fix most situations

What if there was a simple way to set the word or words to "follow attached line" or "rotate to follow attached line."

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2010 1:25 AM | Locked

most of my diagramming use requires no or minimal lines, that would be a nice feature addition tho.. but to me the snapping to line is not as important as the rotation 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2010 1:26 AM | Locked

Philip Spitzer:
What if there was a simple way to set the word or words to "follow attached line" or "rotate to follow attached line."

Yeah, now that would be really nice! Even better than having to do it manually ourselves. (That's why I was never a software designer; just a programmer. I can see the superiority of such ideas like this, but I rarely come up with them on my own.)

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2010 3:25 AM | Locked

DominicM:

Rosie Perera:

I'd like to be able to grab text (or right click on it) and rotate it (at least by 45 degree increments, or any angle that is allowed for lines by the snap-to-grid functionality; it looks like 22.5 degrees is the finest increment allowed), so that I put text along the diagonal lines, as in this diagram generated by an online Reed-Kellog Sentence Diagrammer:

 

Yes please 

up to 90 degrees for me both directions, if we can have text any angle from 0-90degrees  will fix most situations

 

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2010 3:37 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:

Philip Spitzer:
What if there was a simple way to set the word or words to "follow attached line" or "rotate to follow attached line."

Yeah, now that would be really nice! Even better than having to do it manually ourselves. (That's why I was never a software designer; just a programmer. I can see the superiority of such ideas like this, but I rarely come up with them on my own.)

Honestly, I won't be using it that much though it's really fun to play around with :-) I would recommend the snap to line function as it would seem to speed things up a good bit, but I would also allow for a MS Office like rotation (little green dot above the selection). If it was one or the other I would go with snap to line. You could always create a line, give it a see through color and attach a word to it, assuming you can set the color or transparency.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 18 2010 4:04 AM | Locked

this is a great suggestion!

I'm in agreement.

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