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Bill Cook | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Dec 5 2021 6:02 AM

Sermon Builder is a complete mystery to me. I have watched it from its infancy and still don't get it. It is too hard to figure out. And, when I want o use on my iPad, I can't figure out how to get the notes to appear on the same screen.

I am sure I will now get beat up by all the fancy users as usual, but it should not be this hard to use.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2021 7:53 AM

Hi Bill

Bill Cook:
Sermon Builder is a complete mystery to me. I have watched it from its infancy and still don't get it. It is too hard to figure out

I'm sorry to hear that - are there any specific things you are finding difficult?

Bill Cook:
And, when I want o use on my iPad, I can't figure out how to get the notes to appear on the same screen.

I don't know what you mean by trying to get the notes to appear on the same screen - could you clarify please?

Graham

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2021 2:09 PM

Bill Cook:
I am sure I will now get beat up by all the fancy users as usual, but it should not be this hard to use.

One thing I learned from a carreer in IT that "hard to use" varies by individual. I 'm sorry you fear getting "beat up" because I work hard to call people out for making others feel uncomfortable. I agree that the sermon manager and editor can be intimidating but think a few tips can get you going as it is simpler than it looks.  So the first question is "have you watched the Logos training on the sermon builder?" Sermon Builder – Logos Help Center If you have, have you tried to start a sermon? If so, what was the first hurdle you encountered ... asking us questions should get you over them.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 6 2021 4:09 AM

I feel your pain, Bill. Personally, I only use Sermon Builder at the very end of the process, when I'm ready to add a few slides for Proclaim. Otherwise I use a program called "Scrivener" for both study notes and the manuscript. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 6 2021 11:56 AM

Bill Cook:
Sermon Builder is a complete mystery to me...It is too hard to figure out

I have attempted a couple of "sermons" but I cannot understand the workflow...it is hard to figure out (but I don't need it for my bible studies, where I use Clippings!).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 6 2021 1:02 PM

Dave Hooton:
I have attempted a couple of "sermons" but I cannot understand the workflow

I'm intrigued by the workflow comment Dave - can you expand a bit please?

I use the Sermon Builder pretty much as a standalone activity in preparing a manuscript for a talk

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 6 2021 10:51 PM

Graham Criddle:
I use the Sermon Builder pretty much as a standalone activity in preparing a manuscript for a talk

I primarily use Clippings, as you know. So Sermons would have to be a need-to-know.

Graham Criddle:
I'm intrigued by the workflow comment Dave - can you expand a bit please?

It is not intuitive.  I can define some slides** and text under Edit, but then I'm lost as to what is next. Slides doesn't function (seems to be view only). Handout only gives me the "main heading" that I see in Text (and a box with "Hide answers"?), but I'm expecting to see the slides and text as shown under Edit (I just discovered "Include in Handout" under Edit, but this is not an intuitive way to get  a Handout).

**I've actually forgotten how I created the slides

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 6 2021 11:51 PM

Thanks Dave

Dave Hooton:

Graham Criddle:
I use the Sermon Builder pretty much as a standalone activity in preparing a manuscript for a talk

I primarily use Clippings, as you know. So Sermons would have to be a need-to-know.

Understood

Dave Hooton:
I can define some slides** and text under Edit, but then I'm lost as to what is next.

Yes - the Edit tab is the main place I interact with it, writing a manuscript and adding headings. The headings, by default, create slides. These slides can then be exported to PowerPoint / Proclaim etc

Dave Hooton:
Slides doesn't function (seems to be view only).

Yes - it is simply a view of the Slides you have created. I find it useful to see what the set of slides will be which gives pointers to how the overall flow of the sermon will be perceived.

Dave Hooton:
Handout only gives me the "main heading" that I see in Text (and a box with "Hide answers"?), but I'm expecting to see the slides and text as shown under Edit

The Text tab is the place to see (but not edit) the complete manuscript and associated slides. It is nearly  a read-only view of the sermon (it doesn't include anything specifically tagged as Question for example, but that's an extra level of detail!) and the view to export if a complete handout of the sermon manuscript is required

Dave Hooton:
Edit (I just discovered "Include in Handout" under Edit, but this is not an intuitive way to get  a Handout).

Yes - the Handout section is designed to provide a brief outline to give to people. It will include headings and then anything else you can include by specifically doing so as you mention.

Dave Hooton:
**I've actually forgotten how I created the slides

Slides are created automatically when you add in Headings - and you can also add them manually by selecting text and choosing that option from the popup menu (or the buttons at the top of the Sermon Builder)

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