SUGGESTION:Greek/Hebrew lookup of specic words in specific verses

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jul 27 2010 9:48 AM

As I'm trying new things with L4 I came up with an idea.  It would be great if there was a quick way to right click on a word in a particular verse and have a way of showing all the references to that word in relation to the verse it is in.  For instance, I can right click on the word "abide" in Jn 15:4 and do a power lookup and see how the word "abide" is referenced in any of my Greek tools or click on strongs # etc. and do the same thing.  But what I would like to do is get a "cited by" type list that shows only occurances that talke about that greek word for abide in direct reference to the verse I am looking at.  Maybe there is a way to do this already.  I know that for each reference work that I pull up for the word "abide" I can see the verse I am looking at highlighted in the Greek resource if I have "links to open panels" checked.  But I would like to not have to thumb through the resources to find that highlighted verse but have a only those resources that reference that word within that verse showing.

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 27 2010 10:03 AM

I did a search on Jn 15:4 within my Greek tools collection and got several hits - some that are relavent and others that are not.  Is there a way to do a search for both the scripture verse and the greek word abide together - something like "jn 15:4 AND μένω"?  This wouldn't do what I'm looking for perfectly but it may be close.

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 27 2010 10:11 AM

μένω AND <bible = Jn 15:4>

μένω WITHIN 12 WORDS <bible ~ Jn 15:4>

μένω AND <bible ~ Jn 15:1-14>

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 27 2010 10:36 AM

steve clark:

μένω AND <bible = Jn 15:4>

μένω WITHIN 12 WORDS <bible ~ Jn 15:4>

μένω AND <bible ~ Jn 15:1-14>

 

Thanks.  I modified the search to catch more results ((abide OR μένω) AND <bible = Jn 15:4>).  I think this is what I was looking for.  It would be nice if there could be a right click item that does something like this automatically.  Exactly what would the search syntax be to include the strongs # along with the english and greek words?

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 27 2010 10:55 AM

((abide OR μένω OR <GreekStrongs = #3306>) AND <bible = Jn 15:4>)
(abide OR <Lemma = lbs/el/μένω> OR <GreekStrongs = #3306>) AND <bible = Jn 15:4>
(<lemma = lbs/el/μένω>, <GreekStrongs = #3306>) AND <bible = Jn 15:4>

see wiki Detailed Search Help

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 27 2010 11:29 AM

Thanks for the help and the wiki redirection.

 

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 27 2010 12:16 PM

you are welcome. it was fun to fiddle with the search.

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 27 2010 1:03 PM

OK.  I'm making an official suggestion that the above type search be automated with a quick right click on a word.  It seems to me that this would be a useful search for a lot of people.  I was able to find information on the greek word for abide specific to this passage that I would have missed using conventional means such as a power lookup.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 30 2010 12:56 AM

steve clark:
((abide OR μένω OR <GreekStrongs = #3306>) AND <bible = Jn 15:4>)

Excellent searches, Steve

1. The first was the most useful for resources that don't have a morphology like Wuest's Word Studies in the Greek New Testament. In a more compact form:-

(abide, μένω, <G3306>) AND <bible = Jn 15:4>

2. To catch verses that include Jn 15:4 (but avoid silly chapter matches like Jn 13-15):-

(abide, μένω, <G3306>) AND <bible ~Jn 15:4>     eg. ~Jn 15:4 catches Jn 15:4-10 and Jn 15:1-8.

3. When I searched my type:Commentary and type:Notes (Bible Notes)  the Strong's number was redundant, so:-

(abide, μένω) AND <bible ~Jn 15:4>

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David Bailey | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 30 2010 10:34 AM

Dave Hooton:

. The first was the most useful for resources that don't have a morphology like Wuest's Word Studies in the Greek New Testament. In a more compact form:-

(abide, μένω, <G3306>) AND <bible = Jn 15:4>

2. To catch verses that include Jn 15:4 (but avoid silly chapter matches like Jn 13-15):-

(abide, μένω, <G3306>) AND <bible ~Jn 15:4>     eg. ~Jn 15:4 catches Jn 15:4-10 and Jn 15:1-8.

3. When I searched my type:Commentary and type:Notes (Bible Notes)  the Strong's number was redundant, so:-

(abide, μένω) AND <bible ~Jn 15:4>

Hi Dave,

Where can a newbie (me) learn how to use advanced query commands in L4? Do I need to attend Morris's Camp Logos to learn this, or, is there secret manual somewhere?

thanks,

David

 

 

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 30 2010 11:29 AM

David Bailey:

Where can a newbie (me) learn how to use advanced query commands in L4? Do I need to attend Morris's Camp Logos to learn this, or, is there secret manual somewhere?

thanks,

David

You could start with the wiki. In fact, here's a great place to start in the wiki:

http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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David Bailey | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 30 2010 1:12 PM

Richard DeRuiter:
You could start with the wiki. In fact, here's a great place to start in the wiki:

 

Thanks, Richard, for the link.  That'll keep me busy for awhile....

David

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