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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 8:56 AM

Phillip,

I'm among those that would not likely pay to move books onto the iPhone, and I would be quite surprised if Logos approached things this way to begin with. They have stressed the license is ours. They would not charge us to move our books around.

As for the cost, though some people have paid lots and lots for their books, (I've paid more than a few pennies but hardly on the high end) that does not mean there is infinite money to spend. Investing in those books was a one-time thing, there was no expectation that I would have to pay anything else to continue using those books. I may have to pay to get the Logos application itself on the iPhone, but I should not have to pay to use books I have already purchased.

I don't have a Kindle so I don't know anything about how transfers work. My understanding is that it's free to transfer Kindle purchases to the Kindle. I do have the Kindle book reader for the iPhone and there as well it is free for me to transfer purchased books.

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Matt B | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:13 AM

DalePritchett:

Matt Barclay:
(My youth would probably buy it around $15-20 and then buy devotionals with their new logos accounts.)

This is a fresh thought to me. I confess that I never thought about the potential of youth with this application. What are you thinking about in an ideal scenario?

 

Ideal scenario? They buy the app for the Bible & are able to use the app to get books that they're youth pastor (me) recommends. They can make notes, and bring them to church, and we can read books together (this would of course, mean getting more popular level books in libronix format, but the Zondervan deal will help with that I bet). What others have said about pbb format for mlogos would also be great- I could blast out my notes to them, questions, or even places I need to take issue with the author of the book we're reading together.

I think this will also work out for Logos from a marketing perspective. I know that I only use 1 digital music library (iTunes) simply because they got to me first. If logos is the digital book library, they might stick with that when they get older and move on to the main products- which not only helps Logos, but enriches their own faith!

The "i" world (iPhone, iPod, iTunes) is full of youth- I hope the product & pricing reaches out to previous customers like us, as well as the new market. Can't wait to see the final product!

 

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Philip Gurgel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:50 AM

Any purchase made on a Kindle is free.  However, to load one's PDFs, Word Documents, or any other personal file onto a Kindle costs $.99 currently which was my point.  To upload documents that you already have costs, and yet people are doing it.

Why are they paying for it?  Because having it on the mobile device is a greater convenience and as with many things, you have to pay a bit for convenience and mobility. 

Look, I'm not saying that I hope they do it that way, I'm just saying it makes sense from their perspective.  They have the program out there for free for anyone to jump on, they make money from new users as they purchase various books to add to their library, AND they having ongoing income from their current users. 

One could argue that it would be a backhanded way to threat their current customers, but it would probably earn them the greatest profit while maximizing the availability of their program to new users.

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David Buckham | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:54 AM

Jacob Hantla:
They put more into the libronix application for the pc, but don't charge for that...because it generates books sales.

Jacob,

They originally charged for the libronix application on PC...only it was originally called, if I am correct, LLS, not LDLS.

all about Christ,

David

all about Christ,

David Buckham

http://thinkspurlove.blogspot.com

 

 

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 9:58 AM

PhilipGurgel:
One could argue that it would be a backhanded way to threat their current customers, but it would probably earn them the greatest profit while maximizing the availability of their program to new users.

I wold have no problem with one time cost for the engine (15 - 20 USD) and even a small one time fee for the existing book to get it to my iLogos or how we call that little thing. But not paying every time I get book in to the iPhone. I might end up with doubling the price of the book eventually.

Bohuslav

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Philip Gurgel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 10:10 AM

Well, certainly if they were to do that, you should only be charged once for each resource.  They shouldn't be charging you over and over for adding and removing the same resource.  That said, I don't understand the reason why anyone would be adding and removing their resources over and over in the first place. 

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Carolyn Hampton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 10:15 AM

I just got an iPod Touch and can't wait for an app that will allow me to use my Logos Library!  Would certainly like to be able to use a Bible or two without needing internet access ... though Bluetooth connection with my Mac would work IF my Mac was within earshot ... just for a quick look-up anywhere, or following a reading at church, or to show a friend the real quote (oh, yeah, misquote heaven abounds!).  Would be nice if I could make a note or two by the text regarding an insight from a sermon thereon.  

For now, get it started and keep improvements coming as quickly as possible.  The sooner the better for a beginning!

Thanks for doing this!!

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 11:46 AM

PhilipGurgel:
That said, I don't understand the reason why anyone would be adding and removing their resources over and over in the first place. 

I can imagine that situation very well. I would put some set of books I want of study, let's say Messianic collection, and than, after a few months or a year I would want to review the material. However to keep all the books in my 8GB iPhone, with all the music, pictures, iTunesU lectures etc. etc., would be impossible. I would have to delete some books from time to time and than to get them back. Of course, when I get 32 GB iPhone, the problem will be solved (I hope Smile)

Bohuslav

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Ryan Hall | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 1:23 PM

PhilipGurgel:
Any purchase made on a Kindle is free.  However, to load one's PDFs, Word Documents, or any other personal file onto a Kindle costs $.99 currently which was my point.  To upload documents that you already have costs, and yet people are doing i

That's not entirely true. You can upload all the word and pdf documents you want to your kindle for free as long as you do it directly over usb. It's the wireless transfer that they charge you for, and that is only because it costs them money to pay for that wireless data transfer.

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Ryan Hall | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 2:47 PM

So the new picture on the far top right. My guess is that is the iPhone app icon, but what do you think the blurred text next to it is? I wonder if it is the status of the app from apple.

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Amy Leung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 3:40 PM

We need an expert in rendering blurred text.  Christopher where are you?  Wink

iLogos Bible

Version X.X.X

AppleID: XXXXXXXXX

App Details:

Date Submitted: ?? October 2009

Status  []  In Review 

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Jason Prince | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 3:54 PM

Yeah it is called iTunes, so looks like the App icon. Works for me. 

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Amy Leung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 4:03 PM

Dale,

It seems that different  people are willing to pay very differently according to how they will be using the app.  What about an incremental price for different number of resources allowed in the app, would Apple allow it?

For example, you can have (1) A free app that allows only 10 resources downloaded in it, but people can delete and add resources as they wish but it can hold no more than 10 resources, (2) a $19.99 app that can hold 30 resources, (3) a $49.99 app that can hold unlimited number of resources [or something similar], with an upgrade option between them?

Regards, Amy

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Amy Leung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 4:17 PM

Another way to do it would be: (1) A free App that holds 10 resources, user can delete and add resources as they wish but the app can hold a maximum of 10 resources; the App registers UUID and login information to allow for upgrade of device later, (2) a "$4.99 Resources Pack" App that add space for 10 more resources, a "$9.99 Resources Pack" App that add space for  20 more resources, and so on.  The number of resources allowed is linked to the account and remembered on the server. 

The problem is that it is not as flexible as it sounds as each user can only buy each App once in the Appstore.  Sad

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 7:21 PM

Well, I put an iPod touch on my Amazon wishlist, and I dropped a hint to my wife, who should pass the hint onto the family. But if one of you guys wants to hook me up before Christmas, I'm sure my family could find something else for Christmas.

Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
gbcaz.org

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Amy Leung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 8:07 PM

PhilipGurgel:

Well, certainly if they were to do that, you should only be charged once for each resource.  They shouldn't be charging you over and over for adding and removing the same resource.  That said, I don't understand the reason why anyone would be adding and removing their resources over and over in the first place. 

That would happen, for example, if one accidentally deletes, or needs to uninstall and reinstall the app. 

There are a number of the things to be considered if Logos wants to charge $0.5 per download, for example, how to deal with: (1) interrupted, incomplete or corrupted downloads, (2) accidental deletion of resource or app and thus the need to redownload resources, (3) re-downloads of resources following restore of OS or upgrade of device, (4) customers unhappy with how a resource is rendered or behaves in the app and thus wants to remove it...  

Now we all hope that Logos doesn't get too many unhappy customers from re-downloades and charges associated with it because we know what bad reviews can do to new Apps coming to the Appstore.

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Erik | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 11:03 PM

I don't think they are going to charge .50 per resource, since apple's minimum price is .99 for in app purchases, (apple is requiring every company to sell all their resources via in-app purchase)that's what happened to Olivetree they will be selling pretty soon their iphone/ithouch resources via apple, but if logos charges for every resource .99 would be too much, i think a one time fee is ok 19.99 or the highest 29.99 and have access to all our library, that(i think) is fair for them for all their work  and for us that already have bought many resources from them, i hope to see Logos app hit the appstore this weekend. can't wait :) 

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2009 7:40 AM

Logos,

How are you guys surviving without coffee?!?

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Matt B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2009 8:15 AM

Chris Roberts:

Logos,

How are you guys surviving without coffee?!?

Seriously, close shop. We understand. ;)

 

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Matt B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 21 2009 8:17 AM

Sorry for the double post, but I have to ask:

Dan: what size iPod Touch did you buy?

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