Why does this simple Lexham Syntax search fail?

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Aug 1 2010 1:56 PM

I am wortking with Lexham Syntactical database in prep for the new resources coming out  Smile

I am trying to do a simple search that seems to fail. If you look at the first diagram here, you will see according to the Lexham Expansions and Annotations Notes, the word περὶ modifies ἐψηλάφησαν (verb) in 1 John 1:1:

So I constructed a simple search to find it and see if other similar constructs exist. I want a prepositional phrase where the preposition (modifies) agrees with a previously adjacent verb:

This search returns 0 results. If I remove the Agreement rule, it finds thousands, including John 1.1, but that's just finding a verb followed by a prepositional phrase/preposition. How do I add the proper agreement rule to find this verse in 1 John 1.1?

By the way, just to show I am not crazy, the same Syntax search in Logos 3 returns 1094 occurrences, and it does find John 1 using a related words Agreement rule:

Thanks!

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 1 2010 2:53 PM

Beats me...I'd like to know also...I couldn't get anything to work or even look like the structure of the Lexham syntax resource.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 1:11 AM

Sorry guys

I've struggled with this but can't get it to work either!

Graham

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 2:01 AM

Dominick Sela:
This search returns 0 results. If I remove the Agreement rule, it finds thousands, including John 1.1, but that's just finding a verb followed by a prepositional phrase/preposition.

The secret is always to contain relationships and the Clause is the best starting point (particularly when it is a direct parent!) because your search won't go astray and you don't have to worry about the finer points of the Syntax method until you become more familiar with its results.

I don't know how well it matches your control query (Opentext) but it's a start!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 2:14 AM

Hi Dave

But the problem seems to be that adding the "Related Words" rule to try and ensure that the preposition relates to the previous word results in zero hits.

Do you know if this is a valid use of "Related Words"?

Graham

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 2:42 AM

Graham Criddle:
Do you know if this is a valid use of "Related Words"?

No! I don't use Lexham Syntax much but I tried it in both words without result!

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 4:01 AM

At this point I am not sure Agreement Rules work at all in Lexham, although I am the first to confess I have not used them in Logos 4 before. This is such an easy query in Logos 3. Maybe someone from Logos or anyone using Lexham regularly can chip in and let me know what's wrong or whether this is a bug! Thanks!

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 9:00 AM

Hi Dominick.

Thanks for the detailed note. I'll be looking into this later today.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 9:47 AM

Hi Dominick

Rick Brannan:
Thanks for the detailed note. I'll be looking into this later today.

I've looked into it and figured out what was going wrong. I'll take a software update to fix. I've submitted a bug report along with a recommendation for how to handle it.

Thanks again for the detailed description, it really helped.

 

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 2 2010 9:59 AM

Great, thanks for your help Rick!  I'll look forward to trying out the fix against my queries!

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 8 2010 8:11 PM

I noticed this has not shown up yet as a fix in beta 12. Is there any guess as to when this will be updated, will it be in 4.1?

 

Thanks!!

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 3 2010 6:12 PM

Is there any update on this bug, plans to fix etc.? That would be very helpful, thanks in advance!

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 5 2010 5:38 PM

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2010 1:22 PM

Dominick Sela:

Is there any update on this bug, plans to fix etc.? That would be very helpful, thanks in advance!

 

This will be fixed in version 4.2 (Beta 5).

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2010 2:12 PM

Thanks to everyone for fixing this one!

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 2:12 PM

I just tried the first query in this thread, supposedly fixed in beta 5, after upgrading to beta 5, indexing (supplemental indexes exist though), and after a restart of Logos 4. I still get 0 results for a search that returns 1094 in Logos 3. Am I doing something wrong or did I misread that it was fixed in beta 5?

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 2:42 PM

Hi Dominick

Not sure exactly what's going on, I just created a query mirroring yours and ran it on L4B5, and was successful.

Are you running a saved query (your original v4 you created when starting this thread) or have you deleted that one and created a new query to test this?

I'd recommend deleting your old query and creating a new one.

FWIW, I located 3479 results. Why the difference (your original number was 1094 in LDLS3)? Well, the Lexham SGNT now has data for the whole New Testament.

Try deleting your query and recreating it to see if that solves the issue.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 4:18 PM

Yes I was running saved queries. I'll try a new one and report back.

 

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 4:22 PM

Running a new query produced 3479 results.  I never would have thought of recreating the query, thanks Rick!

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 5:21 PM

Is this a problem still or am I doing something wrong?

I get 3479 for all Passages. If I change it to searching 1 John - 3 John, instead of returning the 25-35 results I see when I search all passages, I get results from many of the books (Col, 1 Th, etc.), and I get 428 results?

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