Suggested Layout for NT Study

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Noel Fitzpatrick | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:24 AM

I am interested in studying the NT, with particular emphasis on the Pastoral Epistles.

My favorite Bibles are: NRSV, NAS, NAB, ISV, ESV and D-R (top left tile), while my favorite commentaries are: Harpers, Collegeville, New and JFB (bottom left tile).

My favorite Greek Bibles are: NA27 Gramcord, with and without McReynolds (top right tile)

Other resources in my layout are: ESV, B. Newman, Swanson (Greek), Louw-Nida, EDNT, BAGD, NBD, Anchor YBD and Chambers Oxford Eng. Dict. (bottom right tile)

I tried to enclose my preferred Layout (I am still trying not to call it a workspace), without success

 

Would Anyone like to comment and suggest modifications/improvements to the layout and also tell me how to include my layout in this post, as printscreen failed?

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:51 AM

One thing I did recently was create a visual filter which highlighted, with a different solid color, the abbreviated names of the synoptic gospels in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge so that the parallel passages would be easier to spot.  You could do the same with the pastoral epistles, so that their cross references would be easily noticed as you read/study the N.T.  Of course any kind of collection for the pastoral epistles would be helpful in the citation or search tools.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 7:10 AM

There are several suggested layouts on the wiki page on tutorials. ( never did this before so I don't know if the link took )

Logos 4 Video Tutorials

 

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Noel Fitzpatrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:16 AM

Jerry M,

Thanks for your elegant and constructive ideas.

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Richard DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 8:20 AM

Noel Fitzpatrick:

 

I am interested in studying the NT, with particular emphasis on the Pastoral Epistles.

My favorite Bibles are: NRSV, NAS, NAB, ISV, ESV and D-R (top left tile), while my favorite commentaries are: Harpers, Collegeville, New and JFB (bottom left tile).

My favorite Greek Bibles are: NA27 Gramcord, with and without McReynolds (top right tile)

Other resources in my layout are: ESV, B. Newman, Swanson (Greek), Louw-Nida, EDNT, BAGD, NBD, Anchor YBD and Chambers Oxford Eng. Dict. (bottom right tile)

I tried to enclose my preferred Layout (I am still trying not to call it a workspace), without success

 

Would Anyone like to comment and suggest modifications/improvements to the layout and also tell me how to include my layout in this post, as printscreen failed?

I have a wide-screen monitor (2 actually) and prefer a three column layout: original language resources, guides and my note files on the left, English Bibles in the middle (usually 3), and commentaries on the right. I open other resources as I need them (lexicons, e.g.), and generally close them after reading the article I was looking up. Other things I'll open ad hoc, and then close them when I'm done (Text Comparison, Highlighting, etc.).

I prefer full columns with tabs, because It gives me more room to read the content. Others prefer multiple windows to see more resources at once. To each his/her own.

 

 Help links: WIKI;   Videos; Logos 5 FAQ (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Noel Fitzpatrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 10:34 AM

Richard,

Thanks for your post.

I looked you up and I see about your activities in http://community.logos.com/members/2148/default.aspx

 

Richard DeRuiter has not done anything recently.

How did you manage that?

But seriously…

I accept your view about three columns.  I sometimes float windows (tiles) for clarity.

But at present I am trying to get used to Logos4, having used Logos3 for some time, and before that Series X, since 2005.

Essentially I use four tiles, each having tabs, for English Bibles, Greek Bibles, commentaries and lexicons etc.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:34 PM

I have enjoyed being able to watch the tutorial videos and learning from the wiki.  Several times, though, I have though it would be great to have a blog category devoted just to hints on how to use the software that different ones have picked up along the way. Has anyone else thought this?

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Pam Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:27 PM

Noel Fitzpatrick:

Essentially I use four tiles, each having tabs, for English Bibles, Greek Bibles, commentaries and lexicons etc.

I have something similar, except that in the 4th tile I add a separate copy of my preferred Bible, and set it as the target for any links. That way if I click on a link in a commentary, it doesn't mess up the Bible I'm studying from.  It's also useful when you're trying to compare a NT quotation to the OT original.

Since I have a wide screen, I also have a 3rd column for Power Lookup, highlighting, searches, etc.

 

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Disciple of Christ (doc) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 3:05 PM

Noel Fitzpatrick:

 

I am interested in studying the NT, with particular emphasis on the Pastoral Epistles.

My favorite Bibles are: NRSV, NAS, NAB, ISV, ESV and D-R (top left tile), while my favorite commentaries are: Harpers, Collegeville, New and JFB (bottom left tile).

My favorite Greek Bibles are: NA27 Gramcord, with and without McReynolds (top right tile)

Other resources in my layout are: ESV, B. Newman, Swanson (Greek), Louw-Nida, EDNT, BAGD, NBD, Anchor YBD and Chambers Oxford Eng. Dict. (bottom right tile)

I tried to enclose my preferred Layout (I am still trying not to call it a workspace), without success

 

Would Anyone like to comment and suggest modifications/improvements to the layout and also tell me how to include my layout in this post, as printscreen failed?

Hi Noel, 

This is what I am settled on at the moment for my main layout.

Of course along the way as I get into a study there will be lots of tinkering.  If I am studying gospels rather than having dictionary of paul and his letter then I will have appropriate dictionary in its place.  I use floating panel on second window when I want to look at things like text comparison, passage analysis or visualizations i.e. syntax graphs, and I may sometimes move my notes there or a specific resource, particular say an atlas where I want to look at a map.

 

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Disciple of Christ (doc) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 29 2010 3:14 PM

Jerry M:

One thing I did recently was create a visual filter which highlighted, with a different solid color, the abbreviated names of the synoptic gospels in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge so that the parallel passages would be easier to spot.  You could do the same with the pastoral epistles, so that their cross references would be easily noticed as you read/study the N.T.  Of course any kind of collection for the pastoral epistles would be helpful in the citation or search tools.

I like this idea Jerry,  once could have multiple filters set up one say for gospels, one for Paul's epistles etc, whatever works for you and turn them on/off as required.

 

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Noel Fitzpatrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 2:39 AM

Pam,

thanks for your new ideas.

I have my commentaries in my bottom left tile and when I click on a Bible reference in appears in all my Bibles, as I have them all linked.  My preferred one appears in the top left tile.  

This seems to work for me.

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Noel Fitzpatrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 2:42 AM

Andrew,

Your ideas seem great.

But is your screen not a bit complicated?

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Disciple of Christ (doc) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 3:02 AM

Noel Fitzpatrick:

Andrew,

Your ideas seem great.

But is your screen not a bit complicated?

I've never thought of it as complicated. because I've added everything there for a purpose and tried to give it the screen space that reflects its importance/function within the overall study.   I guess that is the beauty of layouts you can create what meets your needs and adapt them over time for a specific situation. I have the Passage Guide and Exegetical Guide tabbed together since I'm only going to be ever looking at one of them at time.  I want the focus of my layout to be the bible text hence the Greek text is central and given the biggest shop front, and supported both by ESV and NET translations, both visible at the same time.  If I wanted to do more extensive text comparison then I would open up text comparison tool in a floating window.  Notes start of tucked behind the Greek text as my first focus in on reading the text, if I find myself at point in my study where I'm taking lots of notes then they can always be opened in a floating window on the second monitor.  Passage guide itself is cut down to a few customized sections. If I want use Word Study Guide I would move that into a floating window on second monitor.  Right hand side gives me Power lookup so I have quick access to the footnotes etc of current resource, Cited by for Net Notes which often contain helpful textual notes, which I can view by using pop-up on most occasions without having to open that resource.  I also have access their to a couple of topical chain resources.  Info window is readily available so if I click on a word I can get quick access to both the lemma pronunciation and definition from a lexicon. Tucked in behind power lookup is AYBD and a specialist dictionary for gleaning further information on a specific topic, but I am not going to need constant access to these so typically power lookup will be the tab on top. Also room a space in there to have open commentaries selected from the passage guide, in the layout shown it is USB Handbook.  Any other tools I want like passage analysis etc can be open in floating window on second screen and closed when no longer required without upsetting the main layout.  So while on first looks it is busy, everything has its place and is linked where appropriate.

 

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Noel Fitzpatrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 7:11 AM

Andrew,

many thanks for your encouraging post.

Reding it makes me apprecoiate how serious and thorough you are in studying the Word of God.

I am retired from academic work now, but my biological clock still sees September as the start of the year.  So I am preparing to get down to work.  I will try to use part of your scheme.

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Richard DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 11:40 AM

Noel Fitzpatrick:

I looked you up and I see about your activities in http://community.logos.com/members/2148/default.aspx

 Richard DeRuiter has not done anything recently.

How did you manage that?

I'm not sure. I think it has to do with my forum settings. But since there is no documentation on what the settings on this forum do, I'm not sure which one is responsible.

Of course being a pastor, I only do something once a week anyway. Wink

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Noel Fitzpatrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 11:58 AM

Richard,

Well you did manage to write over 2000 posts here!

 

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 7:31 PM

Richard DeRuiter:

Noel Fitzpatrick:

I looked you up and I see about your activities in http://community.logos.com/members/2148/default.aspx

 Richard DeRuiter has not done anything recently.

How did you manage that?

I'm not sure. I think it has to do with my forum settings. But since there is no documentation on what the settings on this forum do, I'm not sure which one is responsible.

Of course being a pastor, I only do something once a week anyway. Wink

Go to edit  your profile >> Click Site Options >> Scroll to the bottom of the page and look for "Activity Message Configuration"  Check the boxes that will get reported in your activity section of your bio.

 

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 7:57 PM

Noel, if you are interested in seeing how others use the tools in Logos, Mark Barnes video series illustrates the layouts he uses for sermon preparation:
    Video series on preparing a sermon

I don't use the same layout Mark does, but I did find it informative. Like Richard DeRuiter, I find full-height columns easier to read. But I still learned some useful techniques from seeing how Mark studies.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2010 8:00 PM

Noel Fitzpatrick:
and also tell me how to include my layout in this post, as printscreen failed

There are various ways to take screenshots discussed on http://wiki.logos.com/Screenshot. If pressing the PrintScreen key did not copy the screen image to the clipboard for you, try Ctrl+PrintScreen.

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Noel Fitzpatrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 31 2010 12:51 AM

Rosie,

many thanks for your hel[pful reply.

I appreciate the expert and courteous way you reply to my queries.

Your help and that of all in Logos is appreciated.

Regards,

Noel.

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