Hermeneia is newly available for download, and on sale for 50% off!!

I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
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wow thats what I call a price cut! Would being downloadable cause this to be so much less expensive?
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Paul Newsome said:
wow thats what I call a price cut! Would being downloadable cause this to be so much less expensive?
Probably not, but they're probably trying to offer an incentive on it since this set has probably not sold many copies the way it was priced before. I'm guessing they will still make enough of a margin on it at this price to make it worth their while or they wouldn't be doing this. The previous price was probably somewhat constrained by the publisher, but now without having to ship it on CD they might have more freedom to negotiate a lower price.
I'm very excited about this and have emailed my Sales Rep to see if that's the bottom line price or if he can do even better than that. I'm ready to spring for it even at that price, though. Who knows how long the sale will last.
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This is a great deal. Having never had the opportunity to actually use Hermeneia for study, I understand it is rather technical, which I tend to like. With that, how would you describe the content and approach against WBC (more academic/technical, etc.)? Or, is there another set that you would compare it?
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Wow! When did this happen? Was this announced in an email?
Rosie, did you get the special "Frequent Forum Posting" discount?
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Michael Paul said:
This is a great deal. Having never had the opportunity to actually use Hermeneia for study, I understand it is rather technical, which I tend to like. With that, how would you describe the content and approach against WBC (more academic/technical, etc.)? Or, is there another set that you would compare it?
It's about as academic/techical as they come. Close to WBC in level of detail, but it also treats non-canonical books such as 1 Enoch. It has extremely thorough footnotes. There are a few volumes that you can search through and peruse some sample pages on Amazon.com. Do more than just click on the sample pages, since that will probably get you only the introduction. Actually search for something you know will be found throughout the commentary pages, such as LXX. Then click on one of the search hits fairly far into the commentary and page forward and backward from there. Here's one that has that search inside feature: http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Commentary-Hermeneia-Critical-Historical/dp/0800660307
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Jonathan said:
Wow! When did this happen? Was this announced in an email?
I don't know. Could have been as recently as this week. I've been making a point of checking the "new ebooks" page (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) every so often, and I just happened to check it this morning after not checking for a couple of weeks. I think you can set it up to have it feed into your feed reader but I'm not sure how. It doesn't show that it has an RSS feed. But just I tried pasting it into Google Reader and Google Reader claims it will track the page for me and let me know when there are any changes. We'll see.
Jonathan said:Rosie, did you get the special "Frequent Forum Posting" discount?
Hee hee! I wish. [:)]
I've just been told by my Sales Rep that $598 is the best price ever offered, even better than it was in pre-pub. The 40 volume pre-pub price was $500, and the 3 volume upgrade pre-pub price was $129.95.
So I'm going to buy it now! Yipee!!!
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Jonathan said:
Wow! When did this happen? Was this announced in an email?
Rosie, did you get the special "Frequent Forum Posting" discount?
My salesman called me last Friday and offered this deal to me then so I already have them on my system. It helps to be in contact with your dedicated sales person.
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Hermeneia is pretty critical in its approach (for better and worse), and like most sets quite variable. It's not very theological, but will often pay close attention to historical background. Some of the volumes are quite old (though not as bad as ICC), and several are translations from German theologians. The problem with the older volumes is that they sometimes employed methods which have not stood the test of time. Sometimes they're surprisingly brief, other volumes (e.g. Romans) are very substantial.
Carson says of the NT volumes: "Hermeneia (SCM/Fortress) is a full-scale critical commentary series that devotes considerable attention to parallel texts. Unlike the ICC, allowance is made for readers without a classical education by providing translations (usually from the Loeb edition) of cited Greek and Latin authors. Several of the volumes are translations of German works, and initially this included some extremely dated books (e.g., Bultmann on the Johannine Epistles), but these are being replaced (in this instance by a major commentary written by Strecker). Haenchen on John, however, should have been put out to pasture long ago. “Parallelomania” (to use Sandmel’s famous expression) and a naive appeal to history-of-religions assumptions frequently surface in the volumes of this series, but the series remains invaluable for the serious exegete and expositor. A few volumes are outstanding (e.g., Attridge on Hebrews)."
Tremper Longman has a slightly higher view on the OT volumes.
Personally I find it useful for academic work, but with one or two exceptions only, not really useful for preaching (because it tends to answer questions I'm not really asking in sermon preparation).
Completely at random, here's the comments on Acts 13:8 from various technical commentaries (there happens to be two commentaries on Acts in Hermenia - t:
Hermeneia (new): As Susan Garrett shows, Paul and Bar-Jesus “represent superhuman figures.” In literary terms, their function is symbolic. The magus, now identified as “Elymas,” with the incomprehensible explanation that renders this name or title, took exception to the pair. The setting is utterly vague. Is the reader to envision an interview in the gubernatorial palace, with Sergius seated while Saul and Barnabas address him (in turn?), and the magus in his normal place, or a less formal conversation in private rooms? If the pair had no opportunity to speak, what was the ground of Bar-Jesus’s objection (and v. 12b*)? A discussion on a street-corner seems quite unlikely. There is no background; all is foreground, the confrontation, marked by “seek” (ζητέω [vv. 7*, 8*, 11*]), “proconsul,” “faith”/“believe” (πίστις, πιστεύω [vv. 7*, 8*, 12*]). Between these two pillars, Bar-Jesus is crushed. His attempt to dissuade results in persuasion. The favored magus becomes a blind beggar. The “change of names” evidently serves the same end. The good Jew Saul is also the good Roman Paul,67 while the barbarous appellation “Bar-Jesus” belongs to Elymas (or Hetoimas, etc.), who is better titled “Bar-Satan” (v. 10*).
Hermeneia (old): The magician’s new name is surprising. The word Elymas is obscure. Luke apparently understands it (in Diodorus Sic. 20.17.1; 20.18.3, a Libyan name) as an appellative, “magician”; or does he equate Bar-Jesus and Elymas?18 Some have proposed Semitic derivations: from the Aramaic אַלִּימָא = “strong,” or the Arabic alim, which is close to μάγος, “magician” (˓ālim, “learned”; ˓al̄im, “omniscient,” used only of Allah), or from the Aramaic חלמא, “expert in the interpretation of dreams.” In an inscription Ηλειμ is found as a name (in Tyre). Codex D has the form ΕΤ[Ο]ΙΜΟΣ, “Hetoimos,” by which many are reminded of the Jew ΑΤΟΜΟΣ, “Atomos,” who posed as a magician (Josephus Ant. 20.142). Jews enjoyed a certain fame as magicians (cf. 19:13*).21 At an early point μάγος, “magician,” had a derogatory connotation in Greek; Philostratus (Vita Apoll. 1.2) rejects this designation for Apollonius of Tyana. Again, we recognize the Lukan criticism of magic. Its style is not that of the philosophical criticism of miracles. Luke does not say that magic is a fraud (in the manner of Lucian, in his Philops.), but that it is destroyed by the power of Jesus (cf. Ignatius Eph. 19.3).
NICNT: But the sorcerer did his best to distract the proconsul’s attention from the gospel, opposing it for all he was worth; no doubt he suspected that, if the proconsul paid too much attention to the faith the missionaries were proclaiming, his own place at court was likely to be endangered.
The Greek word translated “magician” or “sorcerer” is magos. As Peter confronted Simon Magus in Samaria, so Paul confronts Barjesus in Cyprus. A Jew, even a renegade Jew (as this man evidently was), would not have been a member of the magian priesthood; he was a magos in the more popular sense. Luke calls him a false prophet, not (probably) in the sense that he foretold things which did not come to pass, but in the sense that he claimed falsely to be a medium of divine revelation. Elymas, the alternative name which Luke gives him, is probably a Semitic word with a similar meaning to magos; it cannot be an interpretation of “Barjesus.”ICC: At this point the magus, who may perhaps be thought of as court astrologer, intervenes. ἀνθίστατο, middle; cf. 6:10, where in a similar context the active is used. If Luke intends any difference, which is doubtful — he may be following sources — the present verse will suggest that the magus spoke up on his own account; he was not representing the proconsul, who in fact turned out to be of a different mind. The magus is now called Ἐλύμας, and it is affirmed that so his name μεθερμηνεύεται. After an ὄνομα which is undoubtedly Semitic in form (v. 6) this word can mean only, is translated. It is however impossible to translate Bar-Jesus as Elymas, since Elymas (Ἐλύμας) is not a Greek word (at least, it is not listed in LS; ἔλυμος has several meanings: case, quiver, a kind of pipe, millet). It might be wise to cut short discussion of the problem that results by saying with Bengel, ‘Barjehu et Elymas, nescio quomodo, synonyma sunt.’ Failing this, the simplest and probably correct solution is that both names were, in the tradition (or traditions) that Luke used, applied to the man in question, and that Luke assumed that the form that appeared to be Greek must be a translation of the Semitic; cf. 4:36. The assumption is a natural one, though Luke might have reflected that the Latin Paul is not a translation of the Semitic Saul (v. 9). There are however other possibilities; for much detail see P. W. Schmiedel in EBib, s.v. Barjesus; Clark (350–4); Metzger (402f.); Hemer (227f.); and all the commentaries. One line of attack is to reconsider the meaning of Βαριησοῦς (with the textual variants) in the light of Ἐλύμας, or rather of the variant Ετοιμας which appears in D, supported, with not a little variation, by a number of Old Latin MSS and Lucifer. This form of the name, which suggests the adjective ἑτοῖμος, ready, has given rise to the suggestion that behind Βαριησοῦς should be seen the Aramaic and Syriac root š-w-ʾ which, among other things, signifies (according to Driver, quoted by Clark; the Aramaic שוא does not appear in Jastrow, though the corresponding Syriac word is in Payne Smith) to be equal, sufficient, worth, deemed worthy, hence perhaps ready for some purpose. Another suggestion rests upon a variant in Josephus, Ant. 20:142, which is often read Σίμωνα ὀνόματι … Ἰουδαῖον, Κύπριον δὲ τὸ γένος, μάγον εἶναι σκηπτόμενον. In this passage there is substantial evidence for reading, instead of Σίμωνα,Ἄτομον (printed in the text e.g. of L. H. Feldman) and this form of the name is not unlike Ἐτοιμᾶς; either could be a corruption of the other, and J. R. Harris (Expositor, fifth series, 5 (1902), 189–95) thought that Ἕτοιμος should be accepted as the original text of Acts. F. C. Burkitt (JTS 4 (1903), 127–9) conjectured that the text had suffered corruption and that Bar-Jesus was originally glossed by Luke ὁ λοιμός, the pest, the pestilent fellow. On the assumption that Elymas represents not the name Bar-Jesus but the occupation of the magus it has been suggested that we should think of the Aramaic חלמא an interpreter of dreams, or of אלימא, strong, powerful; alternatively, there is the Arabic ‘alim, wise, learned. See L. Yaure (JBL 79 (1960), 297–314). But ‘Why should a Jew in Cyprus at the court of a Roman consular governor be called by an obscure Arabic nickname?’ (Begs. 4:144). A simple error seems the best explanation. Apparently the proconsul was inclined to look with favour on the message of Barnabas and Saul: ἥδιστα ἤκουεν αὐτῶν (D*(E)syh** mae). This the magus intended to discourage; acceptance of the Christian message would no doubt have meant the end of his employment (whether because the proconsul no longer believed in sorcery or because he thought the missionaries more powerful sorcerers). ἡ πίστις can here be hardly other than the faith, though it is noted in v. 12 that Sergius Paulus believed, that is, became a believer, that is, exercised faith.
Anchor: 8. Elymas the magician. MS D reads the name as Etoimas. (for that is what his name means). This is a Lucan explanation of the Greek name Elymas, but that that name means magos, “magician,” is far from clear. No one knows what it means. Ancient versions have simply transliterated the name: thus, Vg Elimas; Pešitta ʾEllumas; Bohairic Elumas. Some modern commentators (e.g., J. Lightfoot) have invoked Arabic ʿalîm, “wise man, magician,” but that too is problematic, because its relationship is still unexplained. L. Yaure (“Elymas—Nehelamite—Pethor,” JBL 79 [1960]: 297–314) interprets it as a form of Aramaic ḥālômāʾ, “dreamer,” which is no better, pace Schneider, Apg., 2.122, because ḥālôm is the Hebrew word for “dream,” not Aramaic.
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Michael Paul said:
I understand it is rather technical, which I tend to like.
technical yes, but very understandable - enough so to be used as a text on the Song of Solomon in a lay summer non-credit class. It's my first choice of Commentaries.
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Rosie Perera said:
it also treats non-canonical books such as 1 Enoch
Rosie, I know from your wording that you expect me to respond. So I present a challenge: to which Jewish and which Christian group(s) is this a canonical book? A reward of a smilie face to the first correct answer.[H]
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Rosie Perera said:
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
Maybe it will be the next Blog posting after the excellent one about Barnes.....
This is a good news...
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MJ. Smith said:Rosie Perera said:
it also treats non-canonical books such as 1 Enoch
Rosie, I know from your wording that you expect me to respond.
I totally didn't see that sideswipe coming. Touché.
MJ. Smith said:So I present a challenge: to which Jewish and which Christian group(s) is this a canonical book? A reward of a smilie face to the first correct answer.
I confess ignorance on that matter. At least I know there are canons for which 1 Enoch is canonical, but I have no idea which ones they are. I'd be interested in studying it and having a commentary volume on it, regardless.
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Rosie Perera said:
but I have no idea which ones they are
For the Jewish group, think the Falasha - the Jews of Ethiopia many of whom Israel airlifted out of Ethiopia in the early 80's (?) ... my sense of history is rotten so don't trust my dates.[:)] For the Christians, it would be the Ethiopian Orthodox.[:D]
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MJ. Smith said:
So I present a challenge: to which Jewish and which Christian group(s) is this a canonical book? A reward of a smilie face to the first correct answer.
I know the Ethiopian Orthodox treat it as orthodox. I thought it fell out of favor with the Jewish.
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Dominick Sela said:
I know the Ethiopian Orthodox treat it as orthodox. I thought it fell out of favor with the Jewish.
I would suspect that in Israel, at least, there has been pressure to join with the rabbinical canon. But I really don't know much about Israel's treatment of the non-rabbinic schools - Samaritan, Karaite and Falasha being the groups I know of.
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Rosie Perera said:
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
Rosie, we can't slip anything by you at all... [;)]
The price reduction is for a limited time only, and is in partnership with the publisher. We plan to announce the sale to everyone on NewsWire this week.
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Rosie Perera said:
I've just been told by my Sales Rep that $598 is the best price ever offered, even better than it was in pre-pub. The 40 volume pre-pub price was $500, and the 3 volume upgrade pre-pub price was $129.95.
I wonder what happened to the claim "The Pre-Pub price today is the lowest price you’ll ever pay"....
Will we see other sets reduced to less than the pre-pub price?
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Dan Pritchett said:
The price reduction is for a limited time only
Dan, can you flesh out that "limited time only" part a bit more? How much of a limited time? A week? A month? Two months?
Very interested, but also not ready just yet to drop that amount of cash so unexpectedly!
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Damian McGrath said:Rosie Perera said:
I've just been told by my Sales Rep that $598 is the best price ever offered, even better than it was in pre-pub. The 40 volume pre-pub price was $500, and the 3 volume upgrade pre-pub price was $129.95.
I wonder what happened to the claim "The Pre-Pub price today is the lowest price you’ll ever pay"....
Will we see other sets reduced to less than the pre-pub price?
I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to buy some other titles and less than pre-pub prices. [;)]
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MJ. Smith said:Dominick Sela said:
I know the Ethiopian Orthodox treat it as orthodox. I thought it fell out of favor with the Jewish.
I would suspect that in Israel, at least, there has been pressure to join with the rabbinical canon. But I really don't know much about Israel's treatment of the non-rabbinic schools - Samaritan, Karaite and Falasha being the groups I know of.
Samaritans are not considered Jews. They consider themselves to be the original Israelites. Their canon is only the Hexateuch so Enoch is out of the question. The Karaites used to be the largest group in Judaism in the middle ages. Very few of them are left. Their canon is the Hebrew Bible: they disregard the Mishna and Talmud. Enoch is not in their canon. As for the Falasha (which we call Jewish immigrants from Ethiopia) I don't know.
The Rabbinic pressure (relevant if at all only to the Falasha) is mostly in performance of rites like observing the Sabbath and not in what people should read or believe. The pressure is only until the Falasha are recognised as Jews and therefore allowed to immigrate to Israel. The Karaites suffer from the Rabbinic institution because they are not allowed to marry "Jewish" citizens but as far as I know this does not depend on anything they do or believe. The Samaritans are not Jews they too suffer no pressure they don't marry anyone out of their community (or they get kicked out of it) which leads to genetic problems and their diminishing number.
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Rosie Perera said:
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
The publisher offers new packages that includeThe Odes of Solomon and the Continental Commentary with a 50% discount.
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Thank you for keeping the rest of us informed, Rosie...been wanting this one for a while, now! Also, thanks for linking a sample from Amazon; it was tremendously informative. Always enjoy your posts...blessings.
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David Knoll said:
The publisher offers new packages that includeThe Odes of Solomon and the Continental Commentary with a 50% discount.
Interesting. I count 62 volumes that will be in this new release with the addition of the Continental Commentaries.
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David Knoll said:
Samaritans are not considered Jews.
You are quite right. I slipped them into the group because they are related in the issue of canonicity. I also omitted the Jewish groups in India because I don't know of sources to verify when they historically lost contact (if ever) on the issue. Although I don't remember where I learned that the Falasha accepted 1 Enoch, I did check with Wikipedia ... not the most reliable source but what I had at hand. Unfortunately, Logos still doesn't provide a full research library at my fingertips.
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Mark A. Smith said:
Interesting. I count 62 volumes that will be in this new release with the addition of the Continental Commentaries.
Mark, where are you finding this information?
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Greg Masone said:Mark A. Smith said:David Knoll said:
The publisher offers new packages that includeThe Odes of Solomon and the Continental Commentary with a 50% discount.
Interesting. I count 62 volumes that will be in this new release with the addition of the Continental Commentaries.
Mark, where are you finding this information?
I don't find any mention of Hermeneia in the same page as Continental Commentary series on either Augsburg Fortress or Fortress Press websites. But assuming such a package deal exists somewhere, I actually count 63 volumes: 43 for Hermeneia + 19 volumes of Continental Commentary + The Odes of Solomon. There's also a new Hermeneia volume available that we don't have in Logos yet: Psalms 3: A Commentary on Psalms 101-150, which, if it were included, would push the total up to 64 volumes. (It's actually hard to compare the volumes we have in Logos with the volumes available on the Augsburg Fortress website as there are a lot of discrepancies in the two lists.)
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Damian McGrath said:
I wonder what happened to the claim "The Pre-Pub price today is the lowest price you’ll ever pay"....
Will we see other sets reduced to less than the pre-pub price?
I was wondering the same here! I don't begrudge folk who have got a great bargain price deal, that being said, what about the Logos Pre-Pub Price claim? Is this the new way forward - just asking?
Ted
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Ted Hans said:Damian McGrath said:
I wonder what happened to the claim "The Pre-Pub price today is the lowest price you’ll ever pay"....
Will we see other sets reduced to less than the pre-pub price?
I was wondering the same here! I don't begrudge folk who have got a great bargain price deal, that being said, what about the Logos Pre-Pub Price claim? Is this the new way forward - just asking?
Ted
Economies change. If we're in a recession, lots of prices are going to drop. If someone is getting it for less than what you paid for it in pre-pub, consider that it's still probably the same or more in terms of buying power if you take the overall deflation into account.
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Rosie Perera said:
Economies change. If we're in a recession, lots of prices are going to drop. If someone is getting it for less than what you paid for it in pre-pub, consider that it's still probably the same or more in terms of buying power if you take the overall deflation into account.
Thanks Rosie for your take on this blessed woman[;)](got a good deal). So this is the new way forward[:P].
Ted
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Ted Hans said:
So this is the new way forward
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Well, let's hope that the new way forward is that the economy recovers. But I guess people need a wee bit of incentive in these tough times to buy expensive commentary sets...
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Ted Hans said:Damian McGrath said:
I wonder what happened to the claim "The Pre-Pub price today is the lowest price you’ll ever pay"....
Will we see other sets reduced to less than the pre-pub price?
I was wondering the same here! I don't begrudge folk who have got a great bargain price deal, that being said, what about the Logos Pre-Pub Price claim? Is this the new way forward - just asking?
I don't begrudge it either. I have had a lot of use out the Hermeneia commentaries since I received them 3 1/2 years ago. My use has exploded since they became available on my iPad this week.
Nevertheless, if the claim quoted above from the Logos site is no longer true, it should be removed.
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Rosie Perera said:Greg Masone said:Mark A. Smith said:David Knoll said:
The publisher offers new packages that includeThe Odes of Solomon and the Continental Commentary with a 50% discount.
Interesting. I count 62 volumes that will be in this new release with the addition of the Continental Commentaries.
Mark, where are you finding this information?
I don't find any mention of Hermeneia in the same page as Continental Commentary series on either Augsburg Fortress or Fortress Press websites. But assuming such a package deal exists somewhere, I actually count 63 volumes: 43 for Hermeneia + 19 volumes of Continental Commentary + The Odes of Solomon. There's also a new Hermeneia volume available that we don't have in Logos yet: Psalms 3: A Commentary on Psalms 101-150, which, if it were included, would push the total up to 64 volumes. (It's actually hard to compare the volumes we have in Logos with the volumes available on the Augsburg Fortress website as there are a lot of discrepancies in the two lists.)
Agree I dont' see any all encompassing package either. I do see a new package incorporating Odes of Solomon, but Psalms 3 has a release date of June 2011. On neither of those site do I even find a Logos/Libronix package for Continental only single volume prints... Given Odes of Solomon is in the publisher's package but not the current on Logos website I would recommend to hold off ordering till the newswire comes out and there is some further clarification of what is happening...
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Damian McGrath said:Ted Hans said:Damian McGrath said:
I wonder what happened to the claim "The Pre-Pub price today is the lowest price you’ll ever pay"....
Will we see other sets reduced to less than the pre-pub price?
I was wondering the same here! I don't begrudge folk who have got a great bargain price deal, that being said, what about the Logos Pre-Pub Price claim? Is this the new way forward - just asking?
I don't begrudge it either. I have had a lot of use out the Hermeneia commentaries since I received them 3 1/2 years ago. My use has exploded since they became available on my iPad this week.
Nevertheless, if the claim quoted above from the Logos site is no longer true, it should be removed.
It appears they have removed that quote ("The Pre-Pub price today is the lowest price you’ll ever pay") from the pre-pub page and most of the pre-pub product description pages at the time they revamped the descriptive text about pre-pub pricing when we complained it was inaccurate now with the new full-priced pre-pubs from Baker. But I found two product description pages where it is still lingering: http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5204; http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5183.
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Ted Hans said:
I was wondering the same here! I don't begrudge folk who have got a great bargain price deal, that being said, what about the Logos Pre-Pub Price claim?
It was only $500 on prepub (though that was for 40 volumes), so PrePub was the cheapest way to buy.
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Mark Barnes said:
It was only $500 on prepub (though that was for 40 volumes), so PrePub was the cheapest way to buy.
The 43 volumes cost $643 on prepub.
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Damian McGrath said:
The 43 volumes cost $643 on prepub.
Really? I guess that just shows what a great deal with 40 volumes were originally.
That said, I'm not sure it's fair to Logos to expect them never to go cheaper than prepub, even three and a half years later. A lot can/has changed in that time.
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Mark Barnes said:
Really? I guess that just shows what a great deal with 40 volumes were originally.
That said, I'm not sure it's fair to Logos to expect them never to go cheaper than prepub, even three and a half years later. A lot can/has changed in that time.
They were a fantastic deal and have proven very useful.
Nevertheless, one of the big selling points of the prepub program was always that the price of the items was the cheapest it would ever be.
Perhaps, Logos oversold that point (which is why they have now removed it from 99% of available prepubs).
Whatever one's opinion, the remaining couple of prepubs which contain this claim should be modified.
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Andrew McKenzie said:
Agree I dont' see any all encompassing package either. I do see a new package incorporating Odes of Solomon, but Psalms 3 has a release date of June 2011. On neither of those site do I even find a Logos/Libronix package for Continental only single volume prints... Given Odes of Solomon is in the publisher's package but not the current on Logos website I would recommend to hold off ordering till the newswire comes out and there is some further clarification of what is happening...
Psalms III is due to be published around the middle of 2011. It is available in German of course, but in my opinion Kraus is better.
The new Hermeneia package that includes Continental is now sold with a 50% discount at the website of Augsburg Fortress Press. Just type Hermeneia in the search box on the left and you find it.
I am a bit disappointed because I bought Continental with the pre-pub offer and I would have got a better deal had I waited.
BTW it is interesting that the publisher chose to translate and publish next in Hermeneia the book of Psalms and not one of the OT books that are not covered by Continental.
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David Knoll said:
The new Hermeneia package that includes Continental is now sold with a 50% discount at the website of Augsburg Fortress Press. Just type Hermeneia in the search box on the left and you find it.
That's what I did and it doesn't show up as part of any collection with Hermeneia. All I can find on their site referencing Continental is print copies of individual volumes. No electronic version at all.
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Damian McGrath said:
Nevertheless, one of the big selling points of the prepub program was always that the price of the items was the cheapest it would ever be.
. . . let's hope some of the new Baker standalone pre-pubs are NOT the cheapest they will ever be (at full-price as pre-pub)! [:)]
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Andrew McKenzie said:
That's what I did and it doesn't show up as part of any collection with Hermeneia. All I can find on their site referencing Continental is print copies of individual volumes. No electronic version at all.
http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item.jsp?clsid=207057&productgroupid=0&isbn=0800697804
http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item.jsp?clsid=207063&productgroupid=0&isbn=0800697790
If you look at the contents tab all those CC titles are Continental (Obviously as Hermeneia does not include a commentary on Genesis for instance).
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David Knoll said:Andrew McKenzie said:
That's what I did and it doesn't show up as part of any collection with Hermeneia. All I can find on their site referencing Continental is print copies of individual volumes. No electronic version at all.
http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item.jsp?clsid=207057&productgroupid=0&isbn=0800697804
http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item.jsp?clsid=207063&productgroupid=0&isbn=0800697790
If you look at the contents tab all those CC titles are Continental (Obviously as Hermeneia does not include a commentary on Genesis for instance).
That's what I was looking at but it didn't spell it out so I missed the fine print "specially selected additional commentaries" when I looked at it.... [:$]
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Andrew McKenzie said:David Knoll said:Andrew McKenzie said:
That's what I did and it doesn't show up as part of any collection with Hermeneia. All I can find on their site referencing Continental is print copies of individual volumes. No electronic version at all.
http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item.jsp?clsid=207057&productgroupid=0&isbn=0800697804
http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item.jsp?clsid=207063&productgroupid=0&isbn=0800697790
If you look at the contents tab all those CC titles are Continental (Obviously as Hermeneia does not include a commentary on Genesis for instance).
That's what I was looking at but it didn't spell it out so I missed the fine print "specially selected additional commentaries" when I looked at it....
Looking at this enlarged jpeg confirms it, too. I don't see the Logos/Libronix emblem, though . . .
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Greg Masone said:
Mark, where are you finding this information?
The publisher's web site. Type Hermeneia in the search box. Look at the first two offerings. Updated, divided into two sections, and not available until later this fall.
Edit: I see the links have already been given. Note that the existing volume w/o the CC is available for the same price now that the split volumes will be after the CC is added it. Buy now or get more later for the same price.
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Mark A. Smith said:
Edit: I see the links have already been given. Note that the existing volume w/o the CC is available for the same price now that the split volumes will be after the CC is added it. Buy now or get more later for the same price.
Interesting - get more later for the same price! Tell me, and what is the point Pre-Ordering early again?[;)]
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What is the difference between the 43 volume set now priced at $598 and the 39 volume set on pre-pub for $299.50 (due to ship 1 Oct)? Isn't there overlap between them? Or, does the second fill in gaps for the first? Just a little confused about the sets. Thanks!
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JH said:
What is the difference between the 43 volume set now priced at $598 and the 39 volume set on pre-pub for $299.50 (due to ship 1 Oct)?
There are two sets that will be ready on the date you gave. One has the NT and some other books/sections that are covered, the other has the OT and the very same extra materials. So one set alone will give you either the OT or the NT but not both. If you buy both there is some overlapping material. Up until this point Hermeneia was available only as a complete set. Seems Augsburg Fortress is dividing the set and adding the CC volumes but keeping the price the same. You just have to buy both the OT and the NT set to get it all.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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JH said:
What is the difference between the 43 volume set now priced at $598 and the 39 volume set on pre-pub for $299.50 (due to ship 1 Oct)?
The 43 volume set at $598 includes all the volumes in the Hermeneia series.
There are two $299.50 sets shipping on 1 Oct.
The first (OT) contains (a) All the OT Hermeneia books, (b) all the non-canonical* Hermeneia books, (c) Seventeen additional Continental Commentary books. (a) and (b) are already in the 43-volume set, but (c) isn't.
The second(NT) set contains (a) All the NT Hermeneia books, (b) all the non-canonical* Hermeneia
books, (c) Two additional Continental Commentary books. (a) is already in the 43-volume set. (b) is in both the 43 volume set and the OT volume set above, but (c) isn't in either set.The two $299 volume sets together are equivalent to the 43-volume Hermeneia Set and the Continental Commentary Set, and therefore offer exceptional value for money.
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I was wondering about this, as I saw the Hermeneia/Continental OT set show up in my pre-pub rss feed. I'm considering the OT set, as it seems like you get quite a bit more that way. (Even if you bought both the OT and NT, buying it in the two-part set saves you like 600 bucks!) The NT set doesn't seem to add as much, because there are far fewer Continental books...plus I already have a good number of NT commentaries.
Any thoughts on the OT bundle?
Thanks,
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