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Justin Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 4 2010 10:40 AM

Is there a way to view the masorah parva and majora in Logos 4. I have the Stuttgart Electronic Study Bible too and I have not seen an option there either. Even if there is another piece of software needed I would be interested. Does anyone know?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 4 2010 11:37 AM

Logos' BHS Helps Collections includes the Massorah Gedolah (upper/lower marginals).  I keep a Cited-By window open attached to it, which then lets me see the associated referenced verses, as I move along in the OT.  The intro is in french but the rest is in hebrew.


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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 4 2010 12:53 PM

The BHQ volumes in SESB include the Masorah.

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Michael McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:26 PM

It seems as though only certain books are included in the BHQ.  Any idea why?

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 11:03 PM

BHQ is incomplete, the Q is for Quinta or the 5th edition. BHS is the 4th edition.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 11:39 PM

Michael McGrath:

It seems as though only certain books are included in the BHQ.  Any idea why?

This may be one of the instances where wikipedia helps out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblia_Hebraica_Quinta 

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Joseph Whiting | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2012 10:04 AM

How do you make the attached window? I have Logos 4. Thanks for any help you can give. 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2012 10:10 AM

Joe, it is really called linking. Choose the same linkset latter for both resources and they will scroll together.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2012 10:29 AM

Joe Whiting:

How do you make the attached window? I have Logos 4. Thanks for any help you can give. 

joetrainer31@yahoo.com

To get the "Cited by" window, go to <Tools | Look up | Cited by>

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2012 10:30 AM

Mark Smith:
Joe, it is really called linking. Choose the same linkset latter for both resources and they will scroll together.

The Massorah Gedolah will not scroll with BHS; hence, Denice's suggestion of opening a Cited by window.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2012 11:05 AM

Hi Joe ... and welcome to the forums!

If you need help attaching the Masorah to a Bible using the Cited-By panel:

(1) Add a Cited-By panel to your layout (Tools >> Cited By)

(2) It's easiest next to either tag your Masorah resource or put it in a collection, so that it will show up in the next step.

(3) Click on the little 'book' box in the upper left of the Cited By panel that you opened in step (1).

(4) Go down to 'Show Collections'. It'll have it's own little scroll bar: scroll down until you find the tag or collection you did in step (2). Select it.

(5) Last, link the Cited By window to your Bible so that as you scroll your Bible, the Cited By window also follows. It'll be looking up any Massorah references for where you are in the Bible

(6) When you see one of interest, click on it in the Cited By panel, which will jump to the Masorah resource and open it.

Additional note: The Cited By panel will actually have any number of 'trackers' ... not just the Masorah as above. So for example I have mine tracking Masorah and also the apostolic fathers' references.

In the image below I have a Cited By tracking massorah in the lower left (linked to 'A'), the actual Masorah resource in the lower right, and near the top, various Bibles (also linked to 'A').

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2012 12:47 PM

George Somsel:
The Massorah Gedolah will not scroll with BHS; hence, Denice's suggestion of opening a Cited by window.

Ah!

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StevenG | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2013 11:31 PM

I dont know why, brother, but i do know that you and i are probably working on similar Hebrew assignments! ha!

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 10 2014 11:27 PM

A neat workaround, but I wonder why a premiere product like Logos does not link their BHS SESB to the M.M.  Roll Eyes

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 11 2014 5:42 AM

I'll have to give this a try when I get home this afternoon.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 11 2014 8:04 AM

For any curious'ers, the info panel is interesting (an excerpt):

'For instance, the BHS apparatus contains extensive citations to the Mm, so any study of the BHS would be aided by the Massorah Gedolah. A better understanding of the Tiberian text can be obtained by mastering the Masoretic notes, helping the scholar become more familiar with what constitutes a standard tradition. Study of the Masorah can also aid the student’s movement past technical matters of grammar and textual tradition, as the Masorah was a simple form of literary criticism.'

OT: Of course I copied this from Libby; so much info in L5 is still not copyable, arrow-able, etc.


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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 11 2014 1:39 PM

Curiouser and curiouser.

But where did you get that nugget of information? Couldn't find it in any of the BHS resource info.

I can't wait for BHQ, it's so far behind schedule. Can't wait for Logos to upgrade the tagging in their resources too, especially for tags in reference texts that should intituitively point to other available Logos references. Can think of BGAD linking to Moulton-Milligan as an example. Sure there are plenty more. If the cited by engine can be coaxed to work, why can't some whizkid work out an auto-linking tagger...

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 11 2014 4:30 PM

The info panel came from the Massorah resource itself.

I agree on the cross-refs being somewhat iffy.   And the CitedBy tool is emminently unobvious how to use. But once one manages it, it hooks up bunches of resources that other Bibles software packages don't attempt. Of course the reason: all the Logos indexing.

In the OT, I use the CitedBy for the Massorah, Early Church Fathers, and Mishnah/Talmud.

In the NT, I hook it to the Early Church Fathers, NT apocrypha, and Diatesseron

When the A-F links don't cut it, it's time to get out the CitedBy tool (second-shelf, bottom left)


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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 11 2014 8:46 PM

Denise:
When the A-F links don't cut it, it's time to get out the CitedBy tool (second-shelf, bottom left)

I think we've arranged our libraries somewhat differently since mine in on the top shelf—almost out of reach.  Wink

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 11 2014 8:55 PM

Yes


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