This community is the best! Every post that I have made with a problem got answered almost immediately. These forums are the best I have ever been involved with. It may have to do with the fact that our common love is the bible.
I am a member of a gaming forum that is considered to be the most elite of gaming forums, and the fights that happen there are terrible. Here at Logos, it's a breath of fresh air for me.
If I may make a suggestion to those who are thinking about buying hardware to making Logos run better-
Before you buy anything, check your computer.
1. Open up the resource monitor (control alt delete). If you have Vista or 7, click on the "performance" tab. Identify the two meters-CPU Usage and Memory
2. Now, open up Logos, and watch to see what happens to the meters- do they peg out?
3. Now do a search in Logos- not an easy one, but a search that puts logos through its paces. For instance, do a morphology search on the Hebrew article and the Hebrew vav (at the same time). Again, what happens to your two meters?
4. If the meters are pegging, or running high, then you should do better with getting that particular piece of software. (CPU or Memory). As far as the HD is concerned. The faster the seek time, the faster the read write time, the faster the I/O is, the better off you are, period.
Of course, this is all just my opinion-those of you with more building expereince than me, PLEASE chime in if I have said anything wrong. I wouldn't want anyone to waste money on hardware when they can use it to buy more books!
Bob Schlessman: Jems:Hardware Tests (Score: 25)- Primary Partition Capacity: 112 GB- Drive Write Speed: 189 MB/s Jems, I am surprised that you aren't gettting a better score than this with SSD's in RAID configuration. My score for the hard drive is 20 with just a run of the mill 500 GB Seagate drive. Along those same lines I installed a single 40 GB SSD and installed WIndows 7 on it in a dual boot configuration with my existing system. Though I saw my boot time cut in half I didn't see much increase in overall performance and my Benchmark on it was only 12. Needless to say I was pretty disappointed. I wiped the drive and returned it. I am beginning to think that SSD's are over rated. Or perhaps it is just the particular model I chose to try out.
Jems:Hardware Tests (Score: 25)- Primary Partition Capacity: 112 GB- Drive Write Speed: 189 MB/s
Jems,
I am surprised that you aren't gettting a better score than this with SSD's in RAID configuration. My score for the hard drive is 20 with just a run of the mill 500 GB Seagate drive.
Along those same lines I installed a single 40 GB SSD and installed WIndows 7 on it in a dual boot configuration with my existing system. Though I saw my boot time cut in half I didn't see much increase in overall performance and my Benchmark on it was only 12. Needless to say I was pretty disappointed. I wiped the drive and returned it. I am beginning to think that SSD's are over rated. Or perhaps it is just the particular model I chose to try out.
As others have said, it really is a problem with the Benchmarking software. That is why I gave the numbers from a program that can isolate and benchmark HD's at various transfer sizes and file sizes. My top speed is about 550MB/s, which is VERY fast.
The problem is, my HD is only 110 Gigs, so I automatically get marked down quite a bit for that. My windows score for my HD however, is a 7.9.
May I suggest you take a look at http://downloadsoftwareuniverse.com/download.php?view.4332 as a better benching software,as it gives you a full reading. It is what I got my full set of numbers in an above post from.
Charles J Tondee:I still seem to get some "lag" (if that is the correct term) especially when typing notes and trying to select verse for copy even with minimal books open. Is this pretty normal? My computer is probably a mid range computer i was just expecting it to handle Logos a little better.
This is so variable, even with similar hardware and OS. Poor response in Notes is acknowledged by Logos but I have no problem selecting verses. There is a small lag when opening a tab in my Layout for the first time and this is common to my Desktop and Laptop.
Dave===
Windows & Android
Jems: May I suggest you take a look at http://downloadsoftwareuniverse.com/download.php?view.4332 as a better benching software,as it gives you a full reading. It is what I got my full set of numbers in an above post from.
I know from years of building and using computers that benchmark software can be very misleading at times. But I was misled like a noobie by Novabench. That said, I still didn't see enough overall increase in performance with the SSD to justify hanging onto it. If it had been large enough to hold Logos 4 and MS Office it might have been a different story since those are the apps that I use 90% of the time.
Thank you Jems for the link and I will download and try the software.
Blessings,
Bob
Okay. One final upgrade to my home desktop system. I found a Core 2 Quad Q8400 on eBay and obtained it for $110.00. Not bad since the retail price on them is $170.00. Anyhow it boosted my Novabench score considerably.
2/23/2011 7:59:58 AMMicrosoft Windows 7 ProfessionalIntel Core2 Q8400 2.66GHz @ 2974 MHzGraphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 2404096 MB System RAM (Score: 116)- RAM Speed: 4456 MB/sCPU Tests (Score: 427)- Floating Point Operations/Second: 102405448- Integer Operations/Second: 362811756- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 1010775Graphics Tests (Score: 252)- 3D Frames Per Second: 733Hardware Tests (Score: 19)- Primary Partition Capacity: 155 GB- Drive Write Speed: 76 MB/s
My old score with the E8200 was 673. The load time for Logos 4 dropped from 24 seconds to 19 seconds for initial startup. Needless to say I am very pleased with the performance boost. However this is my final upgrade one this system. My next purchase will be a new system, but that is quite a ways down the road in a year or two.
Bob Schlessman: Jems: May I suggest you take a look at http://downloadsoftwareuniverse.com/download.php?view.4332 as a better benching software,as it gives you a full reading. It is what I got my full set of numbers in an above post from. I know from years of building and using computers that benchmark software can be very misleading at times. But I was misled like a noobie by Novabench. That said, I still didn't see enough overall increase in performance with the SSD to justify hanging onto it. If it had been large enough to hold Logos 4 and MS Office it might have been a different story since those are the apps that I use 90% of the time. Thank you Jems for the link and I will download and try the software. Blessings, Bob
LOL- happens to all of us!
For me, it's not even the read-write time as much as its the seek time. That is where I see the most difference. I agree with you though, Definitely need a drive big enough to hold office and L4. Those are my two biggest software packages as well.
Next you want to go down that route-here is what I got, and am very happy with it.
(Set link to open in new window).
EDIT: Oh yeah, I am sure you know and messed with this, but just in case--- sometimes you have to load new drivers as well. Not sure why. I wonder if that was part of you problem, or that plus a SSD that didn't have a good Read/write speed.
Toshiba Satellite p500 64 gb ssd 500 gb 7200 rpm sata 8 gig ram 1 gb discrete graphics mem.
NovaBench score 830
2/28/2011 12:14:23 PMMicrosoft Windows 7 Home PremiumIntel Core i7 Q 740 1.73GHz @ 1734 MHzGraphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M 8061 MB System RAM (Score: 171)- RAM Speed: 7269 MB/sCPU Tests (Score: 516)- Floating Point Operations/Second: 203554520- Integer Operations/Second: 490055224- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 665180Graphics Tests (Score: 130)- 3D Frames Per Second: 398Hardware Tests (Score: 13)- Primary Partition Capacity: 58 GB- Drive Write Speed: 98 MB/s
I finally have a machine that runs Logos 4 fast enough to not be annoying. I cannot reccomend Toshiba at this time due to their customer service (Although if you can get Archie he is wonderful)
3/3/2011 10:49:42 PMMicrosoft Windows 7 Home PremiumIntel Core i7 970 3.20GHz @ 3201 MHzGraphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 42012280 MB System RAM (Score: 202)- RAM Speed: 8438 MB/sCPU Tests (Score: 910)- Floating Point Operations/Second: 311466516- Integer Operations/Second: 1137216876- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 1024588Graphics Tests (Score: 107)- 3D Frames Per Second: 334Hardware Tests (Score: 90)- Primary Partition Capacity: 1850 GB- Drive Write Speed: 146 MB/s
This is a new pc which replaced my old P4.
Verified NovaBench Score: 191
Test run on April 16, 2011 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Intel Pentium 4 2.80GHz running at 2800 MHz
NVIDIA GeForce 6200 GPU 2047 MB System RAM (Score: 95) - RAM Speed: 1411 MB/s CPU Tests (Score: 84) - Floating Point Operations/Second: 15552045 - Integer Operations/Second: 44132559 - MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 422047 Graphics Tests (Score: 9) - 3D Frames Per Second: 36 Hardware Tests (Score: 3) - Primary Partition Capacity: 29 GB - Drive Write Speed: 9 MB/s
This configuration is close to the absolute minimum for Logos 4. The main weaknesses of this old system are the single core processor and slow HD. My microATX motherboard has all the best pieces but they just won't do anymore. Lousy performance for a desktop. Too bad I'm a seminary student and don't really have the means to upgrade :P
Bob Schaefer: Just curious: What are your results on the free NovaBench benchmark (www.novabench.com)? How does Logos 4 perform on your computer?
Just curious: What are your results on the free NovaBench benchmark (www.novabench.com)? How does Logos 4 perform on your computer?
I posted my score to show you all that not every user of Logos 4 has the newest and the best computers.
Some of its loyal long time users only can afford to buy "new outdated" net books runing windows xp home addition.
It might be a little slow, but it is still a lot better then my original CompuBiblia - Logos 2.0
The CompuBiblia in spanish with is grand total of 4 spanish bibles, is the only reason I bought a logos product.
So I hope you all remember better then I do, the verse in the bible that must of you learned in Sunday of Saboth School.
www.hombrereformado.org Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
Tom Rach: So I hope you all remember better then I do, the verse in the bible that must of you learned in Sunday of Saboth School. "Pride come before a CRASH" Thomas 20:11
My sympaties. I thought the benchmark on my "old" laptop was poor, but this is worse. Hope you're able to upgrade soon. Remember that other verse we all learned
No cash, you crash. Hezekiah 6:15
georgegfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
I'm one of the posters that had a very high score. The PC I posted with was a replacement for one that went bad. I prayed long and hard for my new PC with high Novabench, and I make no apologies for it.
Philippians 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
George Somsel: My sympaties. I thought the benchmark on my "old" laptop was poor, but this is worse. Hope you're able to upgrade soon. Remember that other verse we all learned No cash, you crash. Hezekiah 6:15
George, this note book is my upgrade. Just bought it less then a year ago at the local Sam´s here in southern mexico.
It has worked fine for powepoint presentacions.
It does not weigh too much, is small. It fits in my older laptop carrying case (from my old hp that died), along with my spanish bible and songbook.
I am upgrading, I am just doing it slower than others.
George, I think your quote from Hezekia 6:15 really hit the mark.
But it should be cross referenced with "Naomi 6:1". You know the part where Naomi and her daugher in law from the land of Crash, mets up with an old geezer how has a lot of Cash.
Tom Rach:I am upgrading, I am just doing it slower than others.
George, as you can see, my NEW Netbook got a score of 153 , while my five year old Compac Presario Desk Top only got 151
And they work fine, they alow me time to warm up my coffee in the Micro while the program is loading, etc.
Tom Rach: I am upgrading, I am just doing it slower than others.
That reminds me of Aesop's fable regarding the Tortoise and the Hare. The tortoise said, "I'm running; I just do it slower than the others."
George Somsel: "I'm running; I just do it slower than the others."
By the way, I have always liked your quote by Hus.
Dell XPS 15
Verified NovaBench Score: 962Test run on April 27, 2011Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Intel Core i72720QM 2.20GHz running at 2201 MHzIntel HD Graphics Family GPU8107 MB System RAM (Score: 195)- RAM Speed: 12011 MB/sCPU Tests (Score: 681)- Floating Point Operations/Second: 204694264- Integer Operations/Second: 733906864- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 1015075Graphics Tests (Score: 36)- 3D Frames Per Second: 124Hardware Tests (Score: 50)- Primary Partition Capacity: 684 GB- Drive Write Speed: 123 MB/s
Got .11
hp pavilion laptop. about 8m old.
4/27/2011 9:43:58 PMMicrosoft Windows 7 Home PremiumAMD Turion II P520 DualCore @ 2300 MHzGraphics Card: AMD M880G with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250 3835 MB System RAM (Score: 101)- RAM Speed: 2276 MB/sCPU Tests (Score: 198)- Floating Point Operations/Second: 48353126- Integer Operations/Second: 126286110- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 610582Graphics Tests (Score: 25)- 3D Frames Per Second: 87Hardware Tests (Score: 25)- Primary Partition Capacity: 277 GB- Drive Write Speed: 78 MB/s