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Steve Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 19 2010 9:21 PM

Rosie Perera:

This looks useful and very interesting to see the wide range of results people are getting. I wonder if we might be able to come up with recommendation for a minimal benchmark people would want to have on NovaBench to make Logos run acceptably fast? (But I guess everyone's definition of "acceptably fast" will be unique.)

I think Rosie has a great idea. It WOULD be nice if there was a benchmark performance standard for making Logos 4 work. Like Rosie, I wouldn't BEGIN to judge what another would call "acceptable," but I did take a little time to crunch the numbers from the replies to this thread. Here's what I found:

  • The average Novabench score was 536
  • The top and bottom scores were 1398 and 80
  • Six had a score over 1000
  • Seven had a score under 200

My notebook score was 479 and I find it to be plenty fast for Logos 4. Not exactly snappy, but above "adequate."

Some misc. notes: If a user upgraded and posted both scores and I caught it I only recorded the higher score. If a user listed two machines I counted both results.

Here is a simple chart. To my eye, most users had a score under 600.

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Netbook: MSI Wind 12: Novabench 198; WEI 3.1

 

 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 1:14 AM

Steve

Thanks for the time and effort to do this work - greatly appreciated.

My score was 268 - significantly towards the left - and I find that Logos speed is quite acceptable.

It would be interesting to know how many people with machines to the right of this graph still have performance issues.

Graham

 

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Abi Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 2:04 AM

Graham Criddle:
It would be interesting to know how many people with machines to the right of this graph still have performance issues.

I did some very expensive research in this field. I believe my last score was 1382. A substantial outlay is required to reach that score. And yes there are still performance issues, especially in the note taking area. Did the new machine improve the overall performance? ... Absolutely. However, The machine can only process the data that is fed into it.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 4:51 AM

Steve Johnson:

I think Rosie has a great idea. It WOULD be nice if there was a benchmark performance standard for making Logos 4 work. Like Rosie, I wouldn't BEGIN to judge what another would call "acceptable," but I did take a little time to crunch the numbers from the replies to this thread. Here's what I found:

  • The average Novabench score was 536
  • The top and bottom scores were 1398 and 80
  • Six had a score over 1000
  • Seven had a score under 200

Thanks, Steve! My laptop was one of the "under 200" ones (197). It is pretty painful running Logos on it. It's not that old a machine and it runs everything else just fine, including having dozens of apps open at a time and multitasking like crazy between them. But it's embarrassing trying to show off Logos to friends when I'm out and about with my laptop. I keep having to apologize for it ("sorry it's so slow, but I've got a slow laptop") while we wait for many many seconds for a Biblical Places map to show up. Nobody would want to buy Logos after seeing me demo it on my laptop. I don't like having to buy a new computer just for one piece of software that taxes it too much, but I suppose eventually I will have to.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:40 AM

I am late to the party, but here goes:

Got 359 in a earlier result, but so be it.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 6:52 AM

Running an HP G71-340US. I have Logos Platinum plus some.

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Ron Corbett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 7:46 AM

I like being able to gauge the strengths of my old laptop compared to my new one. But it raises questions. The score of my old one (Toshiba duo-core) is about one third of the new one (Asus G73JW) but the increase in speed with Logos is not (`3x faster) what I would have expected. Why? And maybe the answers will help us Logos users in the future when we go to upgrade again.

BTW - Dave, you said the HD write speed and primary partition capacity is pretty much a non - factor with Logos. Do you mean A SDD hard drive (like what Abi upgraded to) will not make searches "snappier" ? will not noticibly affect speed / performance of L4?

           Scores: Toshiba E105-S1402 

Nova Score: 366

12/20/2010 10:15:36 AM
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel Core2 Duo P8400 2.26GHz @ 2267 MHz
Graphics Card: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family

3935 MB System RAM (Score: 110)
- RAM Speed: 3663 MB/s

CPU Tests (Score: 215)
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 50765882
- Integer Operations/Second: 129247696
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 725430

Graphics Tests (Score: 14)
- 3D Frames Per Second: 53

Hardware Tests (Score: 27)
- Primary Partition Capacity: 297 GB
- Drive Write Speed: 80 MB/s

          and now Asus:

Nova Score: 995

12/20/2010 8:44:42 AM
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
Intel Core i7 Q 740 1.73GHz @ 1734 MHz
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M

8117 MB System RAM (Score: 171)
- RAM Speed: 7207 MB/s

CPU Tests (Score: 514)
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 202536128
- Integer Operations/Second: 488905712
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 661651

Graphics Tests (Score: 291)
- 3D Frames Per Second: 835

Hardware Tests (Score: 19)
- Primary Partition Capacity: 116 GB
- Drive Write Speed: 105 MB/s

So what do these scores mean in terms of better performance / faster searches / etc. within Logos?

My first guess is CPU related, but the score of Asus [514] crushed my Toshiba [215] but the Toshiba CPU speed is:  2.26GHz @ 2267 MHz comp. w/ Asus: 1.73GHz @ 1734 MHz (although burst speeds of the i7 are supposed to be much higher).

Secondly, the Toshiba Hardware test scored 27 while my Asus only 19 (both are 7200PPM). Would not a SSD increase the score and if so increase performance some? I thought I did my research before buying, but this is not adding up.

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Jonathan Burke | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 8:12 AM

 

Home built system, specifications in my sig. Pity NovaBench tests the system drive by default, not the drive on which Logos is installed (130 MB/s write speed).

NovaBench Score: 1089


12/21/2010 12:03:43 AM
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Intel Core i7 920 2.67GHz @ 2793 MHz
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295

12287 MB System RAM (Score: 201)
- RAM Speed: 8200 MB/s

CPU Tests (Score: 619)
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 205538288
- Integer Operations/Second: 636120568
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 875783

Graphics Tests (Score: 231)
- 3D Frames Per Second: 677

Hardware Tests (Score: 38)
- Primary Partition Capacity: 466 GB
- Drive Write Speed: 104 MB/s

From the look of this thread, Novabench is weighted towards videocards which perform well in OpenGL (rather than DirectX), and fast hard drives. I note that it doesn't seem to weight RAM volume and speed or videocard RAM volume quite as highly, and the apparent preference for cards which do well in OpenGL is interesting. I may be wrong, but that's what I see at a first glance. I'd really like to know which specs Logos 4 prefers.

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 8:43 AM

Steve Johnson:

My notebook score was 479 and I find it to be plenty fast for Logos 4. Not exactly snappy, but above "adequate."

Some misc. notes: If a user upgraded and posted both scores and I caught it I only recorded the higher score. If a user listed two machines I counted both results.

Here is a simple chart. To my eye, most users had a score under 600.

I just got around to running the benchmark test.  I'm glad you crunched the numbers so we can have some idea where we stand in the continuum.  Like your "most users", my score was under 600 -- specifically 470.  I generally find performance to be quite adequate with the exception of notes.  Notes is extremely frustrating.  It will lock up the program for as much as several minutes even on my machine which, while not the fastest was certainly no where near being the slowest.  I would like to test it on my old, old Gateway to see how that performs.  I can only cringe at the thought.  Isn't the progress in computing power amazing?  Yet, programs continue to be developed to push that computing power to the max.  As my stepson used to say when he was a teenager "Too much is never enough."

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Sarel Slabbert | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 12:35 PM

Here is my Score:

NovaBench Score: 329

Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Intel Core2 Duo T7500 2.20GHz @ 2194 MHz
Graphics Card: Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family

2007 MB System RAM (Score: 103)
- RAM Speed: 3093 MB/s

CPU Tests (Score: 213)
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 50703432
- Integer Operations/Second: 125956516
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 726857

Graphics Tests (Score: 6)
- 3D Frames Per Second: 24

Hardware Tests (Score: 7)
- Primary Partition Capacity: 74 GB
- Drive Write Speed: 24 MB/s

Logos 4 on my system is usable. I suspect my biggest Achilles heel is the HDD. I have found that my HDD is the bottleneck of my system. At times Logos 4 is quite quick, but the menus, command bar tend to lag significantly.


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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 1:21 PM

Rosie Perera:
Thanks, Steve! My laptop was one of the "under 200" ones (197). It is pretty painful running Logos on it.

I can't believe how your similar 2 GHz processor performed so badly (69) compared to mine (199 on page 3).  The indication from other 2.0-2.2 GHz laptop processors is that 200+ is the usual score. I found another test that had our processors about equal (mine is two places lower!). It appears that you got a bad sampleSad

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 2:23 PM

Dave Hooton:
It appears that you got a bad sample

It could be a cooling/configuration issue. Most laptops will reduce the CPU speed to save battery power, and all PCs will reduce speed if the computer is overheating.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 3:36 PM

Rebooted laptop - started Task Manager - waited for start-up stuff to finish - closed Task Manager - ran Nova Bench - below average result:

NovaBench Score: 459

12/20/2010 2:50:21 PM
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Intel Core2 Duo P8400 2.26GHz @ 2267 MHz
Graphics Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670

8157 MB System RAM (Score: 154)
- RAM Speed: 3749 MB/s

CPU Tests (Score: 213)
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 50772596
- Integer Operations/Second: 128690800
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 708712

Graphics Tests (Score: 66)
- 3D Frames Per Second: 215

Hardware Tests (Score: 26)
- Primary Partition Capacity: 298 GB
- Drive Write Speed: 76 MB/s

Thankful Logos 4 is usable.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 3:49 PM

Mark Barnes:
Most laptops will reduce the CPU speed to save battery power,

Let's hope that Rosie did run the test on battery power!

EDIT: or has a non-battery Power Option that restricts the CPU to well under 100%!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 4:26 PM

Living and learning - rerunning benchmark after unplugging AC adapter bit slower overall:

NovaBench Score: 429


12/20/2010 5:17:10 PM
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Intel Core2 Duo P8400 2.26GHz @ 2267 MHz
Graphics Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670

8157 MB System RAM (Score: 155)
- RAM Speed: 3887 MB/s

CPU Tests (Score: 215)
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 50665518
- Integer Operations/Second: 129824022
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 730061

Graphics Tests (Score: 33)
- 3D Frames Per Second: 112

Hardware Tests (Score: 26)
- Primary Partition Capacity: 298 GB
- Drive Write Speed: 76 MB/s

Graphics score went down 33, but CPU Test sped up by 2 and RAM test 1 faster for net reduction of 30 in NovaBench score.

Wonder if something else running on Rosie's computer that reduced CPU availability for benchmark (possibly slow all the time - e.g. aggressive anti-virus scanning).

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Abi Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 4:35 PM

Ron Corbett:
Secondly, the Toshiba Hardware test scored 27 while my Asus only 19 (both are 7200PPM). Would not a SSD increase the score and if so increase performance some? I thought I did my research before buying, but this is not adding up.

I think what confuses us is the thought that bench scores will automatically Translate to better performance where Logos is concerned. Nova-bench rates on a scale designed to analyze the overall computing experience. They see a need for large storage capacity. They score big for a massive HD whereas Logos only benefits from the GBs it takes to store the software and resources. ( as demonstrated by your 2 drives, The larger one scores better, even though the write speed is much slower.) In my case, I upgraded to an 80GB SSD from a 640GB 7200 drive. The startup time of Logos was reduced from 10-12 sec. to 4 sec. and searches showed massive improvement. However, the Nova-Bench score only increased from 1354 to 1382. It simply does not reflect the actual gains the SSD provided. ( I still have the 640 GB drive for storage, But Nova-Bench only reads the primary drive )  On the other hand, the note taking issue is still intermittent. I firmly believe it is an issue that no amount of computer speed will resolve.

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Ron Corbett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 5:37 PM

Thanks Abi Gail,

As I said, I expected greater gains in speed with this purchase, but it has not "blown me away" as I had hoped. Sometime ahead, I will try the SSD. In Window's Performance Information test, it is the weakest performer - 5.9 with other components ranging from 7.1 to 7.4 (RAM). I am also going to look into the overclocking possibilities on my CPU. It may be overcompensating for some activities that do not help me with Logos. [the computer IS for Logos , after all :) ] I do have a turbo button that automatically boosts CPU power, but I don't know how often I can use it and I don't know for how long. Maybe I can run in turbo mode all the time? I'll probably need to make a call to ASUS. but thanks for your sharing your experience with the differences the drive made fo you.

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Abi Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 5:43 PM

Yes...the windows rating for the Primary drive increased from 5.9 to 7.8 Now the score is held down by the ram and processor...both at 7.5

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Abi Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 5:58 PM

Ron Corbett:
I am also going to look into the overclocking possibilities on my CPU.

That would be my last resort. The heat and power consumption are increased dramatically. I would suggest monitoring  the CPU usage. Mine rarely maxes out the stock speed. I don't see the benefits overcoming the pitfalls.

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Sue McIntyre | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 21 2010 5:35 AM
NovaBench Score: 424


21/12/2010 11:04:48 PM
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Intel Core2 6320 1.86GHz @ 1866 MHz
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT

2047 MB System RAM (Score: 105)
- RAM Speed: 3501 MB/s

CPU Tests (Score: 192)
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 49994904
- Integer Operations/Second: 108653760
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 628868

Graphics Tests (Score: 105)
- 3D Frames Per Second: 328

Hardware Tests (Score: 22)
- Primary Partition Capacity: 466 GB
- Drive Write Speed: 35 MB/s

 

I found this thread very interesting and am grateful for the link to Nova Bench. I am looking at upgrading this computer as it is now several (about 3 or 4) years old and thought the information from the benchmark test will help me to compare the specifications with a new machine. 

This desktop was built by a local computer store. It doesn't seem to have any problems running Logos and the specs were better than I expected for its age (almost geriatric in computer terms). I may be able to hold out for a while longer before having to invest in a new computer.

   

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