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DominicM | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 29 2010 2:06 PM

I know MJ submitted some datafiles a bit ago, but has anything happened with them, was looking for a daily office for the forthcoming year, but guess I will need to pull my Book of Common Prayer out..

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 29 2010 2:21 PM

DominicM:

I know MJ submitted some datafiles a bit ago, but has anything happened with them, was looking for a daily office for the forthcoming year, but guess I will need to pull my Book of Common Prayer out..

You might want to check out the ESV On-Line Study Bible at 

           http://www.esvonline.org/devotions/bcp/

It includes the daily office as one of the resources available to assist in your study.

A search of Google for :"Daily Office" will return a number of sites that suggest readings from the Daily Office.  Though they are non linked to LOGOS directly Sad, they provide enough information that you will not need to pull down your Book of Common Prayer.

 

 

Blessings,
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Rebecca RG | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 29 2010 3:05 PM

THANK YOU!  Thank you, Logos!  I've been waiting for this!

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 29 2010 3:22 PM

Robert Campbell:

Much better answer than mine Smile.

 

Blessings,
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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 29 2010 3:38 PM

Thanks, and I love the price even more.. Bless you

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 30 2010 12:59 PM

All I really wanted. Thank you So Much LOGOS for making this resource available (I would gladdly have paid the 4.99, but am Happy to see it;s being made free for now anyhow).

 

-Dan

 

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 30 2010 2:14 PM

Robert Campbell:

The daily RCL is not the same as the daily lectionary.  I would like the daily office from the RCL.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 30 2010 11:05 PM

tom collinge:
 I would like the daily office from the RCL.

I am not aware of an RCL daily office if you mean revised common lectionary. It's my understanding that there is a strong Lutheran component to the daily lectionary as a result of Gail Ranshaw's precursor. I believe that the readings are intended for whatever service the pastor chooses. The daily RCL is closely tied to the Sunday and Feast day RCL

For the Catholic lectionary, the Sunday lectionary, daily lectionary and daily office each follow their own logic.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2010 4:25 AM

Sorry for the confusion MJ.  I use the RCL daily lectionary for my morning and evening prayers.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 31 2010 8:09 AM

tom collinge:

Sorry for the confusion MJ.  I use the RCL daily lectionary for my morning and evening prayers.

After using the RCL Daily for 3 years I am very happy to get back to the 2 year Lectionary I had used for so many years. For me the Lectionary readings of the daily office (Book of Common Prayer, Lutheran Book of Worship, Book of Alternative Services of Anglican Church Canada), works better for me. it has a better flow for me.

-Dan

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James Matichuk | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 3 2011 8:53 AM

Robert Campbell:

Thanks for this! I have been using the reading plan, but am excited to use this in the coming year, particularly since the lectionary gives me more Psalms and I have been trying to focus there. 

 

 

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Fr A | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 24 2012 9:20 AM

Hello MJ, I can't recall if I've contacted you in a forum or not - so sorry if this is a repeat.

I'm searching forums / google for any method to get an Orthodox Lectionary into Logos.  I'm willing to do any and all work as this would be tremendously useful for me.  I created a Lectionary Resource that Logos 4 was able to load on my homepage, but none of the reading links (or any other text besides the date) shows up. I'm a programmer and IT specialist (in addition to priest), so the syntax / code does not scare me - and I will probably script the bulk of the work once I have the format.

But first - Is there an example format of a lectionary that loads properly in Logos somewhere?

Thanks,
Fr Aleksa

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 24 2012 11:14 AM

I'm not MJ, but I did the work for the BCP daily office lectionary for Libronix.  That was basically XML.  But they changed the way they do things for Logos 4.  Now lectionaries are books, and I am not aware of any personal book lectionaries. They have a bit of information on this on the wiki http://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books - probably enough to try something simple and learn as you go.

To be honest, I am still not all that happy with the way Logos 4 does lectionaries - the old Lectionary viewer was much better for worship planning, IMHO.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 24 2012 11:26 AM

Welcome to the forums! Since it's still fairly early in the day where MJ lives I'll start on an answer, and then she can add a much better one later.

Fr Aleksa Pavichevich:
I created a Lectionary Resource that Logos 4 was able to load on my homepage, but none of the reading links (or any other text besides the date) shows up.

I presume you did it as a Personal Book, and that you have seen the Wiki page for Personal Books.

Fr Aleksa Pavichevich:
Is there an example format of a lectionary that loads properly in Logos somewhere?

The only lectionary PB I'm aware of currently is a Messianic Jewish one. It doesn't have the actual readings, like e g Logos' Catholic Lectionary [sort of] has, but only a linked list of them. In the resource it looks like this:

When I try prioritizing it I see what I presume you saw:

So that isn't going to be much help for you, I'm afraid. Hopefully MJ has managed to get at least some of her many lectionaries in progress to 'load properly'. Don't get your hopes up too high, though. Even Logos own lectionaries leave an awful lot to be desired. But the more people that express their interest, the more likely it is that we can get Logos to prioritize these issues.

If you do manage to get it to work, and there are no copyright issues, I hope you'll post it in the Files forum. I'd be interested. And given that Logos is working on the first part of Popular Patristics, I imagine there will soon be quite a few others that are too. In fact, given that, and provided the copyright isn't a problem, it might even be possible to get Logos to release an Orthodox Lectionary as a proper resource, as a kind of good will gesture towards new Orthodox users. Increasing that customer base would do wonders for resources like the Patrologia Cursus Completus, Series Graeca, Part 1 (vols. 1–18), which isn't exactly moving fast right now.

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 24 2012 12:08 PM

To get the lectionary information to show up on the home page, you need milestones for the YearMonthDay data type and you need to mark up the content with the following fields (as appropriate): reading, season, day (i.e. liturgical occasion), year, date.

Here's an example of a couple of days marked up with the appropriate milestones and fields.

[[@YearMonthDay:April 24, 2012]]
{{field-on:date}}TUESDAY, APRIL 24, 2012{{field-off:date}} | {{field-on:season}}EASTER{{field-off:season}}
{{field-on:day}}TUESDAY OF THE THIRD WEEK OF EASTER{{field-off:day}}
{{field-on:year}}YEARS 1 & 2{{field-off:year}}

              First Reading       {{field-on:reading}}Acts 7:51–8:1a{{field-off:reading}}
              Response       {{field-on:reading}}Psalm 31:6a{{field-off:reading}}
              Psalm       {{field-on:reading}}Psalm 31:3c–4, 6, 7b, 8a, 17, 21ab{{field-off:reading}}
              Gospel Acclamation       {{field-on:reading}}John 6:35ab{{field-off:reading}}
              Gospel       {{field-on:reading}}John 6:30–35{{field-off:reading}}

[[@YearMonthDay:April 25, 2012]]
{{field-on:date}}WEDNESDAY, APRIL 25, 2012{{field-off:date}} |{{field-on:season}} FEAST{{field-off:season}}
{{field-on:day}}SAINT MARK, EVANGELIST{{field-off:day}}
{{field-on:year}}YEARS 1 & 2{{field-off:year}}

              First Reading       {{field-on:reading}}1 Peter 5:5b–14{{field-off:reading}}
              Response       {{field-on:reading}}Psalm 89:2{{field-off:reading}}
              Psalm       {{field-on:reading}}Psalm 89:2–3, 6–7, 16–17{{field-off:reading}}
              Gospel Acclamation       {{field-on:reading}}1 Corinthians 1:23a–24b{{field-off:reading}}
              Gospel       {{field-on:reading}}Mark 16:15–20{{field-off:reading}}

I've tested this in the current beta and it appears to work as expected. (Previously, there was a bug that prevented Personal Book lectionaries from showing up on the homepage.)

The text of the readings in Logos lectionaries is inserted with dynamic text. Dynamic text functionality is planned, but not implemented for Personal Books, but the homepage functionality does not depend on the dynamic text.

fgh:
provided the copyright isn't a problem, it might even be possible to get Logos to release an Orthodox Lectionary as a proper resource

Absolutely--particularly if we can determine what lectionary would be most in demand and obtain that.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 24 2012 12:40 PM

This is a really helpful post, Louis. Thanks a lot!

Louis St. Hilaire:
Dynamic text functionality is planned (...) for Personal Books

Yes

Louis St. Hilaire:
particularly if we can determine what lectionary would be most in demand

That is, of course, always an issue when it comes to the Orthodox. Big Smile Not that I have any idea how much readings vary between the different churches, but I imagine it may be quite a bit.

(I hope someone who's good at Wiki editing sees this post and uses it to update the Personal Books page.)

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 24 2012 12:43 PM

Louis St. Hilaire:
I've tested this in the current beta and it appears to work as expected.

Without being much into Lectionaries, I just copied your example into a word doc and PB compiled it. It looks like this on the ribbon:

and opens like this:

and this:

Imho only the first scripture works

5618.Lectionary sample.docx

Maybe someone can have an example that really does it (I'm still contemplating making the Moravian texts/Daily Texts/Watchwords/Losungen into a PB Lectionary)

 

 

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 24 2012 12:55 PM

Sorry, those links aren't from my source, but were automatically inserted in the forum post. You picked them up (and other formatting) when you copied and pasted.

Here's the actual file I used:

6837.PersonalLectionary.docx

(Note that I'm just demonstrating the milestones and fields that are particular to lectionaries, and haven't done anything with formatting or other PB features.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 24 2012 1:15 PM

Fr Aleksa Pavichevich:
I'm searching forums / google for any method to get an Orthodox Lectionary into Logos.

I have some options in Excel spreadsheets. Now that Louis says the PB will support lectionaries, I give it a try. I'd been holding off even trying again until the PB sharing mechanism was in place.

fgh:
That is, of course, always an issue when it comes to the Orthodox.

Not all that much more than Catholic as our readings vary by rite or did - I've not kept track of the Ambrosian fiasco.

Fr Aleksa Pavichevich:
(Nice quote by Bishop Hilarion,

Isn't it - the Orthodox are very good at quotability in the best possible sense.

Kenneth McGuire:
I am still not all that happy with the way Logos 4 does lectionaries

Nor am I. But I do think Louis St. Hiliare did a very good job of getting the best out of a flawed design and I have confidence that he now understands the issues so that L5 will have a better lectionary design.

Louis St. Hilaire:
(Previously, there was a bug that prevented Personal Book

This is good news. I'll try it out and see how well it works. The dynamic text bit, however, is still a major annoyance so I'll only say we're halfway there for creating basic lectionaries.

Louis St. Hilaire:
you need milestones for the YearMonthDay data type and you need to mark up the content with the following fields (as appropriate): reading, season, day (i.e. liturgical occasion), year, date.

Louis, What is the format for the second portion of the lectionary which gives the readings for the liturgical date independent of any secular date? (Yes, I know I can experiment but I'm feeling lazy.)

Dan Francis:
After using the RCL Daily for 3 years I am very happy to get back to

I'm glad to hear the feedback and am not surprised. Few of the modern invented lectionaries have the strength of the lectionaries that evolved over time.

I have to dash off to visit Mother but will put out a simple lectionary in the next couple of days. After I see how it works on short lectionaries, I try to at least make a base for an Orthodox lectionary.

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