Qumran Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls Database
Good day,
I saw (and pre-ordered) the Qumran Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls Database, but now I am wondering if this can be used alone as I've got no other Logos software.
Can anyone please help me out on this?
Shalom
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Shalom!
As far as I know, you can use Logos with just one resource installed (in your case the Qumran Database). I have to say however that Logos becomes more effective when your library grows.
Did you know that the Logos 4 engine is available as a free download? For more information: http://www.logos.com/support/faq
P.S. If you happen to know Afrikaans: Logos-sa offers a product with a number of resources in Afrikaans and English.
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Thanks Hendrik-Jan, I am busy downloading the Logos 4 Core and am really looking forward to the release of the DSS. Thank you also for the reference to the SA site - I will definitly browse their website as well.
Can anyone perhaps give me an indication of a due date for this DSS database?
Shalom
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
Can anyone perhaps give me an indication of a due date for this DSS database?
It's really hard to say. It look's like Logos has been working on it for a while, but this project is undoubtedly a complex one. Projects involving the morphological tagging tend to take longer than say a trade paperback. Also, Logos doesn't usually give release dates until the project is near completion and even then sometimes the date slips. Based on the ship dates I'm seeing for my Preorders I would not expect it in the next three months.
Prov. 15:23
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
Can anyone perhaps give me an indication of a due date for this DSS database?
If there is not a date, no one knows.
FYI... This is what I do when Logos does provide a date on when the book will be available to download. I take the time frame between the current date and the date within the status date and double it, and add a month. I personally have never seen Logos come close to a single production date.
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
I am busy downloading the Logos 4 Core
I forgot to mention that there are a few resources that can be downloaded from the Logos site for free. You can find a list of all free resources here: http://wiki.logos.com/Free_Logos_Books
(Note: Libronix is the predecessor program of Logos 4).
Kevin Becker said:Based on the ship dates I'm seeing for my Preorders I would not expect it in the next three months.
When I look at my Preorders I sincerely hope it will take that long [:P]
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Hi guys, thanks for all the replies. I see where you're going and I'll wait patiently. At least this resource status says "under development" and it is green, so I guess it won't be years.
Thanks also for all the references, I'll definitely look into it.
Shalom
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
I see where you're going and I'll wait patiently. At least this resource status says "under development" and it is green, so I guess it won't be years.
Actually, it hasn't changed status for a few years now.
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O no! Please tell me you are not serious?
Who else has been watching this source's status?
I urgently need this for studies, but if it hasn't changed status for some years, then I need to know in order to look elsewhere.
Anybody know of any other source for the Biblical texts of the DSS - spesifically electronic please?
Shalom
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
O no! Please tell me you are not serious?
Who else has been watching this source's status?
I urgently need this for studies, but if it hasn't changed status for some years, then I need to know in order to look elsewhere.
Anybody know of any other source for the Biblical texts of the DSS - spesifically electronic please?
Shalom
Dr. Paul, you might try to call to Logos and ask for Bill Nienhuis, the Director of the Publisher Relations
Office or somebody else from the actual production department and ask about the status of the work on that product.Bohuslav
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
Anybody know of any other source for the Biblical texts of the DSS - spesifically electronic please?
There is only one such database at the moment. It is sold by a competitor whose specialty is with the Mac platform.
I share your feelings regarding the availability of this resource.
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I've been looking forward to this resource since I placed my prepub order in November 2007.
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Wow! That is really quite discouraging. I have sent an e-mail to their customer support enquiring about a release date. I will post their answer here for others as well.
In the mean time, does anybody know of the "The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible: The Oldest Known Bible Translated for the First Time into English" is available in any electronic format?
Does anybody know if the DJD series is available in any sort of electronic format?
Shalom
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I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but here is a reference work by Brill. It looks as though it only covers the non-Biblical books.
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The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible: The Oldest Known Bible Translated for the First Time into English is available electronically from another Bible software company. Forum guidelines do not allow me to post the link, but if you email me I will give it to you. My email is mdolfan at sbcglobal dot net.
I do wish that Logos would offer this resource. I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Logos also has other Dead Sea Scrolls resources on prepub you may be interested in:
http://www.logos.com/product/7704/studies-in-the-dead-sea-scrolls-and-related-literature-series
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
Does anybody know if the DJD series is available in any sort of electronic format?
As far as I know there are no such plans.
There is The Dead Sea Scrolls Library software. It includes only the non-biblical scrolls but you get scanned images of them as well. It does not include the introductions and apparatuses of DJD.
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Thanks again for all the replies. As for the sectarian texts, I've got it it in various formats (simply due to bad advertising at the time, which didn't clearly state that it was non-biblical texts.
As for the Biblical texts of the DSS, yes, I was hoping for some new info to surface - especially on the DJD. I think I've got more or less all the info on what is available, but two criteria is prohibitive, i.e. (a) the electronic formats' pricing, and (b), the printed format is both too pricy and too voluminous. I simply haven't got space for 40 [large] volumes of printed material.
So basically what is needed, is the Biblical Qumran Texts in electronic format (due to physical space saved), depicting the original plates, clarified Hebrew, transliterated English and/or translated English - that doesn't cost and arm and a leg.
If you've got info on something like this, please mail me directly at paul at crossroadsministries dot co dot za?
Thank you guys
Shalom
PS. I forgot to mention - even in PDF format will do. Pretty please?
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Just an update to my e-mail request to Logos support. Here is their reply;
Thank you for your email. I have no other information than is posted at http://www.logos.com/product/5961/qumran-biblical-dead-sea-scrolls-database for this resource, at this time. I can tell you that the more complex tagging that a resource may contain, the longer the resource takes to develop.
So we're still in the dark as far as the proposed EDA is.
Well, anyway, thanks again for all of you who have responded. I have looked at all the proposals, but I'm still stuck in the same boat as before.
Shalom
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Well...
It appears that I was wrong. I just got a notification that I was about to be billed for the Qumran Biblical Scrolls database.It looks like it'll be out very soon.
Prov. 15:23
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Woo hoo! Thought I was going have to climb down into cave #4 and dig the database out!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Yes!! I got my notification too. It would appear that a whole lot (surely at this price it can't be all) of DJD will be available. See screenshot.
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Hendrik-Jan van der Wal said:
Shalom!
As far as I know, you can use Logos with just one resource installed (in your case the Qumran Database). I have to say however that Logos becomes more effective when your library grows.
Did you know that the Logos 4 engine is available as a free download? For more information: http://www.logos.com/support/faq
P.S. If you happen to know Afrikaans: Logos-sa offers a product with a number of resources in Afrikaans and English.
I remember when I was in grad school and my mentor asked if anyone in the seminar read Dutch. Naturally, I indicated that I did so I got two works to read and review. One was perfectly simple to read, but the other was the stangest Dutch I had ever seen. I couldn't find some of the words in a dictionary and it appeared to be an older form of Dutch. It turned out that it was actually Afrikaans and the words I couldn't find in the Dutch dictionary were loan words from other languages such as English. If you can read Dutch, you will be able to read Afrikaans, but it won't be easy.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
Wow! That is really quite discouraging. I have sent an e-mail to their customer support enquiring about a release date. I will post their answer here for others as well.
In the mean time, does anybody know of the "The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible: The Oldest Known Bible Translated for the First Time into English" is available in any electronic format?
Does anybody know if the DJD series is available in any sort of electronic format?
Shalom
I have been subscribed to this since 2007. I note on the "My Prepubs" page that they are planning to ship in February.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I sure hope this is going to ship in February as the pre-pub states. According to the info it would be only the Biblical texts of the DSS - which is all I need. I've already got all the sectarian texts in one form or another.
Let's pray brothers and sisters
Shalom
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מזל טוב!
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Not long now until 16th February! [:D]
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Alan Macgregor said:
Not long now until 16th February!
Any day now [:D] - appears pre-publication ready to ship 2/16/11 => http://www.logos.com/product/5961/qumran-biblical-dead-sea-scrolls-database
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Any day now 2/23/11 => http://www.logos.com/product/5961/qumran-biblical-dead-sea-scrolls-database
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Any day now 2/23/11 => http://www.logos.com/product/5961/qumran-biblical-dead-sea-scrolls-database
Keep Smiling
They pushed the date back. This morning it was still scheduled for today.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Any day now 2/23/11 => http://www.logos.com/product/5961/qumran-biblical-dead-sea-scrolls-database
Keep Smiling
They pushed the date back. This morning it was still scheduled for today.
Pushed back even more to 3/3/11
Keep Smiling [:)]
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George Somsel said:
Any day now 2/23/11 => http://www.logos.com/product/5961/qumran-biblical-dead-sea-scrolls-database
Keep Smiling
They pushed the date back. This morning it was still scheduled for today.
Pushed back even more to 3/3/11
Keep Smiling
Financially attractive, but I want it, I WANT IT, I WANT IT !
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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One has to ponder the cause of the delay... or maybe the initial date was just to show that "something" is being done and to keep someone happy? I mean, why publish a release and/or ship date just to keep on postponing it and not supplying a reason to those who have questioned it?
Just wondering.....
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Dr. Paul J. Nel said:
One has to ponder the cause of the delay... or maybe the initial date was just to show that "something" is being done and to keep someone happy? I mean, why publish a release and/or ship date just to keep on postponing it and not supplying a reason to those who have questioned it?
Just wondering.....
I'm sure you're aware that these are not in English. I have been making some noise lately regarding the poor proofing of Hebrew texts (the same would apply to any Aramaic texts).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
I'm sure you're aware that these are not in English.
Aware = yes; also aware of morphological tagging and english glosses (apologies - never an interlinear).
Keep Smiling [:)]
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if they are not with english interliniar what do they mean with english glosses?
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ton verdam said:
if they are not with english interliniar what do they mean with english glosses?
Oh, excrement ! Well, hopefully they can be hidden -- that's what I did with the ones in Homer, etc.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Oh, excrement !
LOL - still remember co-worker's "biomass intersection with reciprocating mechanism" expression (tested by MythBusters - stuff splattered in every direction).
George Somsel said:Well, hopefully they can be hidden -- that's what I did with the ones in Homer, etc.
Likewise hoping for Qumran to display like reverse interlinears in Logos - can choose what lines are visible (inline or bottom of panel)
Also wish Hebrew and Aramaic texts had semantic domain numbering for contextual glosses (appreciate Louw-Nida numbers in New Testament - hide literal translation and glosses - can hover for context appropriate gloss that expresses range of meaning).
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Also wish Hebrew and Aramaic texts had semantic domain numbering for contextual glosses (appreciate Louw-Nida numbers in New Testament - hide literal translation and glosses - can hover for context appropriate gloss that expresses range of meaning).
Strictly speaking semantic domains are really only implemented in L & N for the NT. While Swanson does include these numbers, it really isn't quite the same as for the NT where you can look through the list for the domain. I'll take either HAL or BDB.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Just to clarify, is the Dead Sea Scrolls Database, a book, that can be read alone, or is it like an app., where you need a separate Dead Sea Scrolls book to read the database? If you need another DSS book, which one(s) do you need to be able to read it?0 -
J Hale said:
Just to clarify, is the Dead Sea Scrolls Database, a book, that can be read alone, or is it like an app., where you need a separate Dead Sea Scrolls book to read the database? If you need another DSS book, which one(s) do you need to be able to read it?It looks like any other Logos resource, but there's any underlying morphological database behind it (just like the Hebrew Bibles).
The Dead Sea Scrolls and manuscripts (and fragments of manuscripts) that are written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The database tagging will give definitions of individual words into English, but in no way should you consider these manuscripts to have been translated into English. If you need English translations various other Logos resources will give you that, but the list of scrolls in those resources might not match exactly the ones in this resource.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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ton verdam said:
if they are not with english interliniar what do they mean with english glosses?
From Mark Barnes post it sounds as though the glosses are going to be pop-ups.
The sun will come out tomorrow ...
Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow there'll be DSS
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Well, looks like it will be at least one more day [:(]
While I wait patiently, I am very much enjoying Craig A. Evans, The Deas Sea Scrolls. This is part of the Homan Quick Source Guide series. I haven't seen a more concise, simple, well written and helpful explanation of common questions surrounding the scrolls. This book really is an excellent "step 1" in understanding what the DSS scrolls are and why they are important. And it is very affordable. I got it for about $9 on sale, but even the retail price is only $15.
Thought this info might be helpful. Hopefully we can start exploring the biblical DSS with Logos before the weekend.
UPDATE: Here is a link to a photo of cave 4 I took last summer. I use it as a desktop background, because I'm a nerd like that.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15897409/100_1894.JPG
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Brian Davidson said:
Well, looks like it will be at least one more day
While I wait patiently, I am very much enjoying Craig A. Evans, The Deas Sea Scrolls. This is part of the Homan Quick Source Guide series. I haven't seen a more concise, simple, well written and helpful explanation of common questions surrounding the scrolls. This book really is an excellent "step 1" in understanding what the DSS scrolls are and why they are important. And it is very affordable. I got it for about $9 on sale, but even the retail price is only $15.
Thought this info might be helpful. Hopefully we can start exploring the biblical DSS with Logos before the weekend.
It ain't over yet. Maybe we'll still get it today. I don't see any change in date on the orders page.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Brian Davidson said:
Hopefully we can start exploring the biblical DSS with Logos before the weekend.
Looking in my Logos library for scroll found: The Dead Sea Scrolls and Modern Translations of the Old Testament logosres:dss;art=chapter4
Resource included with Original Languages and higher base packages.
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The most helpful thing about Scanlin's book (mentioned above) is that he provides an index of biblical passages found in the DSS.
See here: logosres:dss;art=chapter9
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We found some last-minute issues during final testing this afternoon. We're working on getting this fixed, but we need to push the ship date back to tomorrow. We apologize for the delay.
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Kent, I am OUTRAGED!!!!
Kidding, kidding. The world waited roughly 2,000 years for these materials to be widely available, so I think we can wait another 24 hours.
Thanks for all your hard work!
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[:'(]Kent Hendricks said:We found some last-minute issues during final testing this afternoon. We're working on getting this fixed, but we need to push the ship date back to tomorrow. We apologize for the delay.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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[8-)] [:S] [:(]
Where's the beef?
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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They only serve beef on Mondays .... getting those little fragments stuffed into the database must be a real chore.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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