Another plug for Fuzzy Search or AI search

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 8 2011 8:15 PM

It took me so long to find the Bible verse I was thinking of when all I could remember was "God bringeth the increase" -- I knew it was something about one plants, another waters, but God brings the "increase" and I was absolutely certain it was worded as "increase" in at least the KJV.

Phrase search for "God bringeth the increase" found zip, even in my Entire Library. Proximity search for bring BEFORE 1 increase (with match all word forms on) found nothing.

I finally did a Google search for "God bringeth the increase" and still found only 3 hits which were all the same one and didn't give the Bible reference. Very frustrating.

Then I tried Google search for "God brings the increase." Over 5000 hits, so I know I'm not dreaming. This verse does exist somewhere, and other people remember the wording as I do, but that is obviously not what the correct wording is.

Finally, in exasperation, I do a Bible search for God BEFORE 4 words increase in KJV only. It took nearly 1 minute for the Bible version dropdown to populate so that I could choose KJV (pressing Enter after just typing in kjv dismisses the dropdown without putting through a request to select that item once the list is populated). Uggh! But at least I finally got my answer. The verb was giveth not bringeth. Duh. Pretty close synonym, though.

Actually, Fuzzy Search wouldn't have helped me here. I just tried in in Logos 3, and it didn't find anything, even when I directed it to search just in the KJV. (And it was slower in determining that it couldn't find it.)

What we really need is an even smarter Fuzzy Search (call it AI Search) that would take into account synonyms for words that people might have misremembered. Let it do complete phrase searches too, and plug in the possible synonyms.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 8 2011 11:52 PM

Hi Rosie

I know it doesn't match your criteria of "synonyms that people might have misremembered" but a search in "All Bibles" returns a relatively few hits in a reasonable time which - in this case - give you what you are looking for.

I appreciate this doesn't solve the general problem!

Graham

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 9 2011 2:27 AM

Rosie Perera:

It took me so long to find the Bible verse I was thinking of when all I could remember was "God bringeth the increase" -- I knew it was something about one plants, another waters, but God brings the "increase" and I was absolutely certain it was worded as "increase" in at least the KJV.

Phrase search for "God bringeth the increase" found zip, even in my Entire Library. Proximity search for bring BEFORE 1 increase (with match all word forms on) found nothing.

I finally did a Google search for "God bringeth the increase" and still found only 3 hits which were all the same one and didn't give the Bible reference. Very frustrating.

Then I tried Google search for "God brings the increase." Over 5000 hits, so I know I'm not dreaming. This verse does exist somewhere, and other people remember the wording as I do, but that is obviously not what the correct wording is.

Finally, in exasperation, I do a Bible search for God BEFORE 4 words increase in KJV only. It took nearly 1 minute for the Bible version dropdown to populate so that I could choose KJV (pressing Enter after just typing in kjv dismisses the dropdown without putting through a request to select that item once the list is populated). Uggh! But at least I finally got my answer. The verb was giveth not bringeth. Duh. Pretty close synonym, though.

Actually, Fuzzy Search wouldn't have helped me here. I just tried in in Logos 3, and it didn't find anything, even when I directed it to search just in the KJV. (And it was slower in determining that it couldn't find it.)

What we really need is an even smarter Fuzzy Search (call it AI Search) that would take into account synonyms for words that people might have misremembered. Let it do complete phrase searches too, and plug in the possible synonyms.

Yes. Yes, yes, Yes. I would love to see this feature added. Many thanks

Ted

 

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 25 2011 6:25 AM

I, too, find this frustrating. For instance I recently (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36134.aspx) had trouble finding a verse because I searched for "Lord" instead of "God." That should certainly be something Logos can handle...

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:30 PM

David Moser:

I, too, find this frustrating. For instance I recently (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36134.aspx) had trouble finding a verse because I searched for "Lord" instead of "God." That should certainly be something Logos can handle...

I agree this would be very nice and would hope to eventually see it in Logos. However, we need to remember that synonyms are a tricky thing. Boil as sore and boil as create vapor look like the same boil to the search.

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