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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 22 2011 1:54 PM

More and more resources are being published as author-based collections were individual books are within a volume of works. This can be a problem when searching as results are displayed as being within a volume of a work and we are not told which specific book within the volume it is found in. These multi-work volumes should be able to be accessed not only as volumes but also as individual books. This was suggested in this forum post responding to Bob's suggestion regarding what we would like to search for but can't: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/27679/213107.aspx#213107

I have recently had this problem when trying to search within only John Owen's Death of Death in the Death of Christ. I had to first find the book within my John Owen Collection. Then open that volume. Then run a search on that volume and have to manually sort through which results from that search fell within Death of Death

Please

  • Allow us to search for books within multi-work volumes from the Library Screen (perhaps have a sublist under multi-work volumes displaying the different books found within).
  • Display which book within a multi-work volume a search result is found
  • Allow us to limit searches within a multi-work volume to a specific book found within that volume.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 1:57 PM

Jacob Hantla:

Please

  • Allow us to search for books within multi-work volumes from the Library Screen (perhaps have a sublist under multi-work volumes displaying the different books found within).
  • Display which book within a multi-work volume a search result is found
  • Allow us to limit searches within a multi-work volume to a specific book found within that volume.

 

 

Yes, yes, yes! Yes

Add this to UserVoice, please, Jacob, and I'll somehow find another feature on there to sacrifice my vote from and vote for this.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 2:07 PM

Jacob Hantla:

I have recently had this problem when trying to search within only John Owen's Death of Death in the Death of Christ. I had to first find the book within my John Owen Collection. Then open that volume. Then run a search on that volume and have to manually sort through which results from that search fell within Death of Death

I didn't buy the Owens collection when it was offered since my primary interest lies in biblical studies, but I remember buying that book from Blackwells when I was in college.  It brings back memories.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 2:07 PM

Rosie Perera:

Add this to UserVoice, please, Jacob, and I'll somehow find another feature on there to sacrifice my vote from and vote for this.

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1402517-better-control-of-multi-book-volumes-works

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 2:12 PM

Jacob Hantla:

Rosie Perera:

Add this to UserVoice, please, Jacob, and I'll somehow find another feature on there to sacrifice my vote from and vote for this.

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1402517-better-control-of-multi-book-volumes-works

Great! This is so important I've moved 3 votes from elsewhere to this. I hope others notice and go vote for it!

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 2:17 PM

Rosie Perera:

Jacob Hantla:

Rosie Perera:

Add this to UserVoice, please, Jacob, and I'll somehow find another feature on there to sacrifice my vote from and vote for this.

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1402517-better-control-of-multi-book-volumes-works

 

Great! This is so important I've moved 3 votes from elsewhere to this. I hope others notice and go vote for it!

I too sacrificed votes from others to get three votes...even took one from my pet project that I BEG Logos develops: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/509803-make-an-intelligent-flash-card-program-for-vocab- It's been ranked #4 forever and we haven't even heard a peep from Logos on it.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 4:45 PM

Jacob Hantla:

Please

  • Allow us to search for books within multi-work volumes from the Library Screen (perhaps have a sublist under multi-work volumes displaying the different books found within).
  • Display which book within a multi-work volume a search result is found
  • Allow us to limit searches within a multi-work volume to a specific book found within that volume.

Also make sure these 'books within books' work for collections. I'm sure there are lots of books in the Early Church Fathers that I would want in various collections -- but I can't get them there! Not without manually going through every single volume and manually adding it to every single collection that I want it in. Which is quite a bit of work...

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 4:44 AM

fgh:

Jacob Hantla:

Please

  • Allow us to search for books within multi-work volumes from the Library Screen (perhaps have a sublist under multi-work volumes displaying the different books found within).
  • Display which book within a multi-work volume a search result is found
  • Allow us to limit searches within a multi-work volume to a specific book found within that volume.

Also make sure these 'books within books' work for collections. I'm sure there are lots of books in the Early Church Fathers that I would want in various collections -- but I can't get them there! Not without manually going through every single volume and manually adding it to every single collection that I want it in. Which is quite a bit of work...

Not only quite a bit of work, but also, you get stuff in the collection you may not have wanted (all the other stuff within the volume that isn't the book you were aiming for

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 7:23 AM

I too  sacrificed another uservoice vote to make this happen.

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Aaron Sauer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 7:52 AM

3 votes from me!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 11:04 AM

Yay, it's up to 27 votes already. Please, sir, can I have some more? :-)

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 12:03 PM

I'm not sure I grok this issue. Is there a resource that comes standard w/ Platinum (which I have) that would demonstrate it to me?

Donnie

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 12:19 PM

Donnie Hale:

I'm not sure I grok this issue. Is there a resource that comes standard w/ Platinum (which I have) that would demonstrate it to me?

I think you've got Early Church Fathers as part of Platinum, right? That demonstrates it pretty well. Suppose you are looking for where Augustine refers to the metaphor of "plundering the Egyptians" (as I was just the other day). First you have to find out which ECF volume or volumes Augustine's works are included in, which is no easy task the way the Library is currently set up. Then you run a search for plunder NEAR Egyptians in that volume or those volumes (which you have to make a small temporary collection of if there are more than one). Then you have to step through all the search hits and check if it's within one of Augustine's works (there are other authors' works included in the same volume).

I still haven't finished this search, as I got distracted along the way making a Table of Contents for my ECF collection by copying all the TOCs of each of the individual volumes into a Clippings file. Then I will be able search that clippings file for a title or author to narrow down which volume what I'm looking for is in. (But  I got distracted in the midst of that task when I came across a whole new category of typos I needed to go searching for through my entire library....)

We need some easier way to find what we've got in our books-within-books!

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 12:24 PM

Donnie Hale:

I'm not sure I grok this issue. Is there a resource that comes standard w/ Platinum (which I have) that would demonstrate it to me?

Donnie

Grok this:

Suppose you wanted to see how many times Josephus mentions "taxes" in his The Wars of the Jews.  As it is, you'd only be able to see results from all of his works since they are in one volume, and you'd have to wade through all the results from Antiquities before you even got to see the first result in Wars.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 12:28 PM

Thanks for the explanation. Your example here is to search within a custom-defined collection with the search phrase (pseudocode, of course):

author:Augustine AND (plunder NEAR Egyptians)

(Note I've adapted how we express a search within our resources for this pseudocode.) Do I understand this correctly (at least this example)?

Thanks again,

Donnie

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 12:35 PM

Donnie Hale:

Thanks for the explanation. Your example here is to search within a custom-defined collection with the search phrase (pseudocode, of course):

author:Augustine AND (plunder NEAR Egyptians)

(Note I've adapted how we express a search within our resources for this pseudocode.) Do I understand this correctly (at least this example)?

 

Yes, that's it. Or a particular title as Todd suggestion, which could be done in pseudocode this way:

title:"The Wars of the Jews" AND taxes

Also, just being able to easily open a book that is within another book without knowing ahead of time what volume it's in would be nice. I've got The Complete Works of Francis Schaeffer, which is all in one volume in my Library. To open one of his books, I have to open that first, open the Table of Contents, find the book I'm looking for and click on its title. I'd much rather be able to type a few words from its title in the command line (like I can with any other book in my library that I want to open) and jump there directly.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 12:41 PM

Rosie Perera:

Yay, it's up to 27 votes already. Please, sir, can I have some more? :-)

Oliver, you must leave !  Big Smile

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 12:45 PM

Rosie Perera:

I think you've got Early Church Fathers as part of Platinum, right? That demonstrates it pretty well. Suppose you are looking for where Augustine refers to the metaphor of "plundering the Egyptians" (as I was just the other day). First you have to find out which ECF volume or volumes Augustine's works are included in, which is no easy task the way the Library is currently set up. Then you run a search for plunder NEAR Egyptians in that volume or those volumes (which you have to make a small temporary collection of if there are more than one). Then you have to step through all the search hits and check if it's within one of Augustine's works (there are other authors' works included in the same volume).

Get my "Alpha Church Fathers" from the files forum.  I was thinking that this might refer to such things as Festschrifts.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 12:55 PM

Todd Phillips:

Donnie Hale:

I'm not sure I grok this issue. Is there a resource that comes standard w/ Platinum (which I have) that would demonstrate it to me?

Donnie

Grok this:

Suppose you wanted to see how many times Josephus mentions "taxes" in his The Wars of the Jews.  As it is, you'd only be able to see results from all of his works since they are in one volume, and you'd have to wade through all the results from Antiquities before you even got to see the first result in Wars.

In other words, what you would like is the ability to select portions of works as one is able to select separate books in the bible.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 1:00 PM

Rosie Perera:
Please, sir, can I have some more? :-)

Three more. (I pulled them from the "Logos, please improve the Community Pricing program." )

And, Thanks Logos, for greatly improving the CP program. Big Smile

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