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mab | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Mar 19 2011 4:46 PM

For all the complaining about L4M problems, I wonder just how many of them paid any attention to what their computer was doing at the same time. I noticed yesterday when my Mac seemed like it was taking a nap in Logos. Then I saw the little whir of the Time Machine icon in the menu bar. Angry

Time Machine has a single non-adjustable hourly backup. I don't know about you, but it would be nice to make some choices as to when it backs up as it really can wreak havoc if you are busy doing something intensive in Logos. You can always turn it off. Or stop a backup if you are busy. But wouldn't it be better if you could simply set to run at a wider interval?

How do you deal with Time Machine? It's great to have, but it's a nuisance too.

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tjebme | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 19 2011 4:53 PM

I use a little app called Time Machine Editor to change the 1 hour default setting.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 19 2011 5:17 PM

Michael Ballai:
How do you deal with Time Machine?

1) I exclude Logos' indexes from the backup. They can always be rebuilt. 

2) I try to remember to manually run Time Machine before doing something that shouldn't be done simultaneously with it.

You might want to read this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/26816.aspx.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 19 2011 5:26 PM

Michael Ballai:

For all the complaining about L4M problems, I wonder just how many of them paid any attention to what their computer was doing at the same time. I noticed yesterday when my Mac seemed like it was taking a nap in Logos. Then I saw the little whir of the Time Machine icon in the menu bar. Angry

Time Machine has a single non-adjustable hourly backup. I don't know about you, but it would be nice to make some choices as to when it backs up as it really can wreak havoc if you are busy doing something intensive in Logos. You can always turn it off. Or stop a backup if you are busy. But wouldn't it be better if you could simply set to run at a wider interval?

How do you deal with Time Machine? It's great to have, but it's a nuisance too.

Question, has anyone notice the same problem with Time Machine when you are using a different program?

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 19 2011 5:38 PM

Brian Elliott:

I use a little app called Time Machine Editor to change the 1 hour default setting.

Thanks for the tip.

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Richard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 19 2011 5:56 PM

Just want to vouch for TimeMachine Editor - I use that to make TM backup once per day. I combine that with a free Mozy account for offsite document backups.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 19 2011 6:13 PM

Thanks guys I'll have to give the editor a try. I think one could back up a little less often than every hour.

FWIW, I find Time Machine problematic if you are doing many downloads and file transfers. Even if you just have a lot of apps open, it can be a problem. At least on a minimal machine.

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Bob Deacon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 20 2011 3:26 AM

Great tip! Time machine can really get in the way and slow things up at the most inappropriate times!

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 20 2011 8:32 AM

Thanks for the tip on Time Machine Editor. Just installed it.

I like Time Machine but, yes it is intrusive and slows things down.

Also I don't need the huge number of backups it produces, though I notice that most are deleted as time goes on.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 20 2011 9:25 AM

Alan Macgregor:
like Time Machine but, yes it is intrusive and slows things down.

If you exclude the stuff that you have either already synced to a second computer or the cloud (ie Dropbox, Logos Files) then Time Machine Backups should be fairly quick unless you are doing a lot of file movements in the meantime.

Alan Macgregor:
I notice that most are deleted as time goes on.

As your backup disk becomes full Time Machine deletes the oldest back up.

 

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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 20 2011 10:47 AM

Like Mike I exclude my Bible Programs.

I have not "noticed" it giving me any issues with one exception: If I am downloading large files while it is backing up.

Good catch though Michael.

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 20 2011 12:51 PM

Mike Binks:

Alan Macgregor:
I notice that most are deleted as time goes on.

As your backup disk becomes full Time Machine deletes the oldest back up.

Yes, I know but that's not what I meant. For recent dates TM offers a large number of recovery points but these appear to be fewer on the regression screen as you move back in time, long before you reach a disk full situation. I reached that only 2 days ago after 16 months of TM backups (Nov 2009), when for the first time TM said it was deleting the earliest backup in order to carry out its operation.

Mind you, I have only used TM once to recover a document file which I had deleted months before and which I suddenly discovered that I needed.

Q: if I exclude my Logos files from TM wouldn't that mean that in the event of a catastrophic crash I would only be able to recover Logos and its resources from a fresh download with its massive download and re-index? Since Logos is the only reason I actually have a computer, that seems a bit counter-productive.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 20 2011 1:15 PM

Alan Macgregor:
in the event of a catastrophic crash

Depends on your definition of 'catastrophic crash' and where you keep your time machine.

If it is a shed at the far end of the garden then a crash caused by a house or a shed fire (one or the other but not both) would allow local recovery.

If you keep it at the top of your church's spire then you may even be protect from flood.

Armageddon will probably leave you data-less whatever precautions you take.

Because whatever you do Logos is going to back your files up to their servers (should be safe until Yellowstone Park pops)  having them back up with Time Machine just doubles the load on your computer.

Anyway I always say - 'Look on the bright side'.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 20 2011 2:33 PM

Brian Elliott:

I use a little app called Time Machine Editor to change the 1 hour default setting.

Thanks for the tip. I will give it a try.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2011 3:29 PM

Alan Macgregor:
Q: if I exclude my Logos files from TM wouldn't that mean that in the event of a catastrophic crash I would only be able to recover Logos and its resources from a fresh download with its massive download and re-index? Since Logos is the only reason I actually have a computer, that seems a bit counter-productive.

Don't exclude the whole Logos folder (unless your backup disc is very small), just the Bible and Library indexes. They're the ones that cause problems with Time Machine. If indexing is going on while TM runs, well, while TM backs up the index, the Logos indexer makes changes in that same index, and when TM then backs up those changes, the indexer makes new changes, and so on, and so on. That's why it takes both processes forever to finish. Since I excluded both indexes, I haven't really noticed TM any more.

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2011 4:31 PM

We're looking at automatically excluding problematic files from Time Machine backups in a future release.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2011 4:58 PM

David Mitchell:

We're looking at automatically excluding problematic files from Time Machine backups in a future release.

Sounds good. Thank you.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2011 5:59 PM

I think it would be helpful to be able to suspend Time Machine when one indexes. Not sure if Logos could pause or stop Time Machine for the index cycle, but that's just me thinking out loud.

So far Time Machine Editor seems to be working well for me. I decided to set it to a 3 hour interval. I like the idea of frequent back ups, but not at the expense of disrupting the work it's in service of protecting.

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