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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Apr 24 2011 10:53 PM

I have a review of Logos I will be sending out to my list and posting on my blog. I thought I would give you a chance to comment if you wish. http://www.joshhunt.com/mail439.htm

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 24 2011 11:00 PM

Sounds like a fair and balanced comparison of the two products. Thanks for sharing it with us.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 25 2011 12:21 AM

Rosie Perera:

Sounds like a fair and balanced comparison of the two products. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Concur + Thanks. Bias warning: personally familiar with Logos 4 (including sluggishness in various places).

Searching Logos.com for collection, then sorting by price from highest to lowest finds collections that have many resources not included in Portfolio package: http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=collection&start=0&sort=pricehi&pageSize=30

Forum discussion Biblical Languages - Greek has many original language observations.  Thankful Logos 4 has Qumran Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls Database that is usable in Text Comparison tool to compare manuscript text and fragments (primarily Hebrew).

Thankful for active friendly Logos user community forums and mostly volunteer crafted wiki => http://wiki.logos.com/ that includes Getting Started with Logos page with links to excellent unofficial Logos 4 tutorial videos by Pastor Mark Barnes.  Also wiki has user contributed Logos Resource Reviews

Noticed Holman New Testament Commentary (12 vols.) is included with Scholar's Silver and above. Concur Logos does not have Holman Old Testament Commentary.  Thankful for Tyndale Commentaries (49 vols.) and The Essential IVP Reference Collection Version 3 , which are not part of any base package.

Something to try in Logos 4: press F11 for reading view (when want to read more in one resource).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 25 2011 12:39 AM

Hi Josh

Many thanks for posting this.

A couple of comments:

You refer to Logos having a special box for cutting and pasting. I assume you are referring to the "Copy Bible Verses" tool. Just wondering if you also came across the copy function available in the right-click context menu as below?

Select the passage, right-click, choose "selection" in the right-hand menu and then "copy" in the left. More details at http://wiki.logos.com/Right_Click_Menu#Copying_Selected_Text_or_Image

You also refer to different approaches to minimising windows. Did you come across the ability to have "floating widows" which I think gives you some of what you were looking for?

 

Hope this is helpful and thanks for sharing.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 25 2011 1:50 AM

Josh Hunt:
I have a review of Logos I will be sending out to my list and posting on my blog. I thought I would give you a chance to comment if you wish. http://www.joshhunt.com/mail439.htm

Hi Josh - good review. A couple of things I noticed:

  • You said "Everything you buy for your computer can be viewed on the mobile device." That's not quite true. About 20% of resources are not available on mobile due to licencing restrictions (though that figure is going down rapidly).
  • There's a typo: NCSB
  • You mention "parallel Bibles" in WS. Logos' version is the Text Comparison tool (on the Tools menu), or a quick pop-up version by pressing F7. The pop-up uses your top-prioritizied bibles, the 'proper' tool allows you to select which Bibles you include.
  • "Copying and pasting" from the right-click menu has already been mentioned. You've also got the copy Bible Verses Tool, and you can Copy to Clipboard from the Print/Export menu (when saves you have to select your text using the mouse, and can be a great time-saver if you want to copy a large chunk).
  • You imply that double-clicking a word only works in WS. In Logos if you double-click a word in any resource, it will open you most prioritised dictionary with that word in it.
  • Minimise windows: Logos has two features that do something similar. The first is 'reading view' (F11). It temporaliy maximises your current window, F11 again restores. You can also right-click on a tab, and choose "Open in a floating window". You can then maximise or minimise (or drag to a second monitor) that resource. Once you're done, drag the tab back to it's correct location in the main window. If you want to do this with a whole panel , choose "open all in a floating windows" instead.

Hope that helps,

Mark

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 25 2011 9:57 AM

Another typo (well, sort of): it's actually Kittel, not Kittle.

Graham Criddle:
Select the passage, right-click, choose "selection" in the right-hand menu and then "copy" in the left.

Surely you can do this even faster with ctrl-c? I can certainly do it with cmd-c on Mac. (Well, in resources I can.) I have so far never used either right-click or CBV for copying.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 25 2011 10:15 AM

 

fgh:
Surely you can do this even faster with ctrl-c?

Indeed you can - it's just something I rarely use!

Good catch.

Graham

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 25 2011 1:04 PM

Very good review. Since I've never used WS 9 I can only offer comments as to how I perform some of the things you've mentioned. It may be that this is exactly as you do it and from experience you know WS 9 is preferred. But there is also the chance that you didn't know about a particular way of doing things.

Snappier - Very good word to describe Logos' sluggishness. For me it is not an issue, but I perfectly understand that for some it is. Either way, I have no doubt that their are "snappier" programs out there then L4.

Parallel Bibles - I do one of three ways, the F7 trick that was already mentioned, the Parallel passage tool in L4, or I open up all the Bibles I want to compare, link them together, and make sure sympathetic highlighting is turned on. Then I simply highlight a phrase in my Bible and it highlights the matching phrase in the other translations. This works very well if you are using a projector. I put the translations I want to compare in a floating window that is viewed from the projector, all in different panes. Then I Open the translation I am using in the main window, which is viewed on my laptop. When I highlight the phrase on my computer, it highlights that phrase in all the other translations. This only works with translations that have a reverse interlinear.

Copy and Paste - If I don't care about formatting I simply highlight the text and hit CTRL+C. If I care about formatting I hit CTRL+ALT+B.

Simpler and easier - The "maybe I am just more used to it" probably has some merit. I bought a resource a couple months back that came with WS 7 or 8. I couldn't stand it, probably because I didn't spent time getting to know WS that much. You have clearly spent more time in Logos then I spent in WS, though.

Double click - While I know double clicking in L4 does things, I rarely use it. I have gotten very used to right clicking. For instance if I'm reading in Acts and come across a persons name or the name of a place that I want to know more about I know to right click, select person on the bottom right, and biblical people/place on the upper left. If I want to know more about a word in a translation I right click the word, Lemma on the Right, Word study on the left. If I'm reading in a translation and come to a reference that I want to study some right click, reference on the right, passage guide on the left. Or I'll simply hover over the reference and hit F7 to get an idea of it in different translations. I don't use it like I should but Right click, show information on the right is pretty handy, too.

Minimize one window - floating windows has already been mentioned. Reading mode is handy too. I love that they added Justified columns even though most of my extended reading has moved to my Kindle.

Importing Kindle Books - Bliss indeed. :-)

I don't know if anything above is different from the ways you currently do things in L4, but they are my wordy 2 cents, none the less.

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