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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 13 2011 9:46 AM

Richard Stimson:
The up side of digital books for publishers is unbelievable.  No inventory, no printing cost, little need for retail stores.  I think publishers are taking advantage of us

 Yes temporarily.  The market should, however, drive the price down.  Ultimately doesn't this mean that in the future, if you want a bound paper book, you will be asking for something special, something costly, something that is going to cost you more than it has in the past?   

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 13 2011 9:50 AM

Richard Stimson:
The up side of digital books for publishers is unbelievable.

But there is also a downside, and Bob has posted about it before. If you lose your dead tree copy, you go buy another. If you pass it around and it accumulates a bit of wear and tear, you buy another. But digital copies never degrade and are never lost, so publishers lose any revenue they might otherwise get from repeat purchases. That's a real issue worth considering. Nonetheless, I think on the issue of device usage, users should not be required to buy a second license.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 13 2011 10:32 AM

Chris Roberts:

Richard Stimson:
The up side of digital books for publishers is unbelievable.

But there is also a downside, and Bob has posted about it before. If you lose your dead tree copy, you go buy another. If you pass it around and it accumulates a bit of wear and tear, you buy another. But digital copies never degrade and are never lost, so publishers lose any revenue they might otherwise get from repeat purchases. That's a real issue worth considering. Nonetheless, I think on the issue of device usage, users should not be required to buy a second license.

One thing that gives the digital version a leg up in publishers thinking though is anyone can easily sell a physical book or even give it away. Books in digital format can not be sold or given away without some effort, Logos will transfer a licence for a fee, but it is one of the few companies i know of that does that. On the other hand some people take ebooks and hack them to make them free to whomever will download them making the publishers sometimes a little gun-shy about ebooks. Why Zondervan and Cook are being so pig headed I do not know,, it is more than them though Harper Collins hasn't allowed the old harper's comm/dict to be made available on the mobile devices and Liturgical press hasn't allowed their books to be either.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 13 2011 5:44 PM

Richard Stimson:
I do not see it like I buy a book one year and have lost that book so I want to go to Barns and Noble and get a second book for free.  I see it like I want to change what bookshelf i put the book on.  The up side of digital books for publishers is unbelievable.  No inventory, no printing cost, little need for retail stores.  I think publishers are taking advantage of us.

I agree with you and so does Logos. That's why we do not have the NIV on mobile apps yet.

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Randle Bond | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 1 2011 12:31 AM

Great... youversion again offers the opportunity to download NIV2011 for free offline use and we can't even get NIV2011 for online let alone the NIV84.

Interestingly the NIV84 is available on Biblia.com but not the NIV2011. What is the deal Zondervan? Purchasing the Kindle NIV version means you can use it on multiple devices!

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Stephen Thorp | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 2 2011 12:28 PM

alabama24:
I agree with you and so does Logos. That's why we do not have the NIV on mobile apps yet.

 

It's here everybody! At least on my ipod touch, both NIV & NIV 1984. Can we have the Anglicised edition please that would be the cherry on the cake! WHOO HOO! Big Smile

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Josh Neighbors | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 2 2011 2:20 PM

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John Williston | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 3 2011 8:19 PM

Yes! Yes! Yes! Thanks, Logos, for finally doing what every other publisher managed to do years ago. I'd have been happy to pay extra for it, but to get it as part of my content package is great. Much obliged!

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 4 2011 4:47 PM

John Williston:

Yes! Yes! Yes! Thanks, Logos, for finally doing what every other publisher managed to do years ago. I'd have been happy to pay extra for it, but to get it as part of my content package is great. Much obliged!

The issue of not having the NIV was with Zondervan, not Logos. If Logos had agreed to charge us a second time for the NIV, what's to stop from being charged for other resources, no just Zondervan but now Thomas Nelson (they are both now owned by Harper Collins). This would set a precident for other publishing companies. This would make the mobile platform too costly for many users. I am glad Logos worked it out so we didn't have to pay again, even if it took awhile. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 4 2011 4:52 PM

Philana Crouch:
The issue of not having the NIV was with Zondervan, not Logos. If Logos had agreed to charge us a second time for the NIV, what's to stop from being charged for other resources, no just Zondervan but now Thomas Nelson (they are both now owned by Harper Collins). This would set a precident for other publishing companies. This would make the mobile platform too costly for many users. I am glad Logos worked it out so we didn't have to pay again, even if it took awhile. 

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Adam Lambert | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 1:23 PM

Here is an email I got from the CEO Bob Prickett

 

We sell the NIV under license from Zondervan, and they offer it in partnership with Biblica (formerly International Bible Society), which control the copyright.

 

With the introduction of the NIV 2011, Biblica (apparently) wants to see the 1984 edition disappear from the market. They don't consider them two products, but rather a single product -- the NIV -- and now that's it has been updated they only want (and only allow) the new one to be sold. We have explained that many churches have investe din the 1984 edition, have paper copies of it that that want complementary resources to, etc. but so far all of our entreaties have been rebuffed. They simply do not want further new distribution of the 1984 edition.

 

I share your frustration, and hope you'll appreciate that the decision to not sell the 1984 edition is not ours, and does not reflect our wishes -- only our contracts.

 

Thanks for your support of Logos; I hope it continues to be useful to you.

 

-- Bob

 

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John Williston | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 5:09 AM

All of the idiocy surrounding the NIV has led me to what probably should have been the logical conclusion in the first place: dumping the NIV as a version of interest. Congratulations on turning off a customer, Zondervan, that's some great business sense!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 4:01 PM

Adam Lambert:
With the introduction of the NIV 2011, Biblica (apparently) wants to see the 1984 edition disappear from the market. They don't consider them two products, but rather a single product -- the NIV -- and now that's it has been updated they only want (and only allow) the new one to be sold. We have explained that many churches have invested in the 1984 edition, have paper copies of it that that want complementary resources to, etc. but so far all of our entreaties have been rebuffed. They simply do not want further new distribution of the 1984 edition.

One option is contacting Biblica => http://www.biblica.com/contact-us/

Personally view NIV as two translations: NIV 1984 and NIV 2011.  Noticed NIV 2011 has expanded pericopes with a number of word changes plus lots of footnotes with verse cross references:

Likewise view NASB as two translations: NASB 1977 and NASB 1995

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