With the new release of Logos 4, I was telling a friend about it and I believe they are about the purchase it, but when I started to think, if they were to buy the new Logos 4 package would it even be functional on their computer? What am i supposed to tell him to buy? I've got Logos for Mac 1 and showed him all those features, if he purchases it now, what is he risking/getting? Thanks!!
I would say a fantastic piece of software (based on the windows one) he might want to hold out for a couple of weeks at least till it goes into Beta where it should be more stable, and have more features, unless he likes being a Guinea pig, in which case Now is the right time, where he can feedback and contribute to its develoment.
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MarkBethea: With the new release of Logos 4, I was telling a friend about it and I believe they are about the purchase it, but when I started to think, if they were to buy the new Logos 4 package would it even be functional on their computer? What am i supposed to tell him to buy? I've got Logos for Mac 1 and showed him all those features, if he purchases it now, what is he risking/getting? Thanks!!
He should purchase and use version 1 for now and wait a few weeks for version 4 to become more stable. I believe that the version 1 software is required to activate the version 4 Alpha.
Jack
He should buy Accordance Bible Software (www.accordancebible.com). It's not in Alpha. It works great with Snow Leopard, and the customer support is amazing! Accordance isn't a red-headed step child for the Mac either, like the way Logos is for Mac users. I think the release of Logos 4 demonstrates that.
Jeremy Writebol: He should buy Accordance Bible Software (www.accordancebible.com). It's not in Alpha. It works great with Snow Leopard, and the customer support is amazing! Accordance isn't a red-headed step child for the Mac either, like the way Logos is for Mac users. I think the release of Logos 4 demonstrates that.
Are you a Logos user or did you join the forums just to promote Accordance? It looks like bad form.
Check here for Logos 4 missing features: http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures
I am not a Logos user... but I didn't join just to promote Accordance either. I have been trying to get my head around Logos for some time because I really do want the best Bible study software I can get... from all I can tell Logos for the Mac just isn't on par with Accordance. I regularly tell people at my church that if they use a Windows operating system that Logos is the best, and I am sincere about that. But for the Mac, Logos just doesn't seem to match up (at least not right now). Sorry if I made it look like bad form on this discussion.
I will say this for Logos too... so far the iPhone app is pretty cool... I imagine if I had a full library beyond the free stuff they supply I'd be sold for good... so good job Logos peoples for the iPhone app!
Jeremy Writebol: I am not a Logos user... but I didn't join just to promote Accordance either. I have been trying to get my head around Logos for some time because I really do want the best Bible study software I can get... from all I can tell Logos for the Mac just isn't on par with Accordance. I regularly tell people at my church that if they use a Windows operating system that Logos is the best, and I am sincere about that. But for the Mac, Logos just doesn't seem to match up (at least not right now). Sorry if I made it look like bad form on this discussion.
It surely doesn't match up yet, but if a person wanted the features and available library that the current Windows version of Logos 4 has, I don't think telling them to buy Accordance is the right answer. Especially when the Mac version is obviously on it's way, and they'd be buying something other than what they want. Especially here.
I hope you'll stick around though. It's a lively place here.
I imagine if I had a full library beyond the free stuff they supply I'd be sold for good..
ooo... that would require to you buy Logos 4. :-) I believe.
Jeremy Writebol: Accordance isn't a red-headed step child for the Mac either,
Back in the old days people would buy the hardware required to get the job done (like trucks to haul, hammers to drive nails, Macs to do graphics and PCs for business.) There has never been a time when Apple Bible software was ahead of PC Bible software. It isn't the software that appears to be a step-child, it's the hardware. I have lots of Macs & PCs. I did software development for both. They each have their flair and flaws. If Apple had not gone open architecture and changed to X-based operating system they would have gone out of business by now. Some day when all hardware has converged,there will be no problems writing software. But "someday" never comes. And why does everybody keep "dissing" the redhead? Isn't it bad enough he is a step-child?
Yeah... I've dropped over $1000 on my Accordance stuff, which I love... but I'd be willing to give Logos a fair trial (I'd limit myself to Logos only for a month) if they offered a 30 day demo or some sort of "satisfaction guarantee" like that...
I am sorry if I came across as a jerk... I'm just trying to get some feel for the Logos system and figured the passionate users who are also Mac users could help me out...
Jeremy Writebol:but I'd be willing to give Logos a fair trial (I'd limit myself to Logos only for a month) if they offered a 30 day demo or some sort of "satisfaction guarantee" like that...
They do mention a 30 day satisfaction guarantee on the product page. But I would wait till after New Years if you insist running it on the Mac. You could buy one of those dual boot laptops and run Logos under windows and everything else on your Mac side.
Jack, Jeremy is a good example of why I would not purchase Accordance. They don't have Alpha software, just Alpha users.
Now to your question which was so rudely interrupted.
I would suggest they buy a package in 3.0. use it and then in a month upgrade to the 4.0 engine when it is more developed.
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Jeremy, if you truly think the Windows version is better, then you will like the Mac version. Right now, as I type, the L4mac has already been built with the exact features as the L4win. The code base for L4win and L4mac are exactly the same. The ONLY thing missing from L4mac is the user interface. So the functionality, power, and tools are all there, we just need the developers to make it accessible and pretty.
I hope you will stick around, visit the Mac Alpha/Beta forum and see some of the screen shots as they go up. I just posted a couple today.
Joe - I think your comment was a little less than sanctified, particularly regarding me. I had said earlier that I was sorry I came across as a jerk and if I could delete the "Buy Accordance" post I would have. I don't think I demeaned any Logos user as an "alpha" or anything near that. I would merely like to have the best tools possible for my study of the Scriptures. I know I'm a bit passionate about Accordance but I am trying to give Logos a fair shake. You're comment here makes that hard for me.
Joe Miller:Jack, Jeremy is a good example of why I would not purchase Accordance. They don't have Alpha software, just Alpha users.
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Jeremy Writebol:I am sorry if I came across as a jerk...
Sorry, I posted before I read your ensuing remarks. My apologies brother.
Edited after I read Jeremy's subsequent posts.
Joe Miller: Jack, Jeremy is a good example of why I would not purchase Accordance. They don't have Alpha software, just Alpha users. Now to your question which was so rudely interrupted. I would suggest they buy a package in 3.0. use it and then in a month upgrade to the 4.0 engine when it is more developed.
It wasn't my original question, Joe. I had posted a response to the original question that was very similar to yours. However, there are some very gracious people who are also Accordance users.
You are probably right Jack, I should not have jumped on my brother so fast. I do get a bit frustrated with the Accordance folks feeling the need to sell on the Logos forum.
Generally, what it tells me is that Accordance is not doing well and sending users over here is their way of marketing a failing product. Sure, I could be wrong, but IMHO, it is a sign of weakness in their product. BTW, that is just my opinion so PLEASE don't anyone try and argue with me about it. I just don't really care to debate about other software.
As a side note, I personally could care less if someone likes Logos or another brand, just use what works for you and study the Word.
Jeremy Writebol:I am not a Logos user... but I didn't join just to promote Accordance either.
No problem -- glad to have you here!
We're working hard to get to feature parity on the Mac; and this time we've made it easier and much more likely by actually using the same code!
Accordance is a great product, and I know for many people it does exactly what they need. Logos definitely takes a different approach, and I hope you'll give it a closer look as it matures on the Mac platform. At the very least, it's a great library-expanding way to complement Accordance in your study.
I know some Mac users feel like we don't treat the Mac as enough of a first priority. (It's as if you don't love the Mac enough unless you won't use anything else.) In a way it's true -- we try to put the users first, and for the longest time (and still), most of them are on Windows. But as the Mac continues to grow and attract more switchers, we're appropriately giving it more attention and love. (And more and more of our people are moving to Macs as their primary machine.)
Just look at how we're supporting Apple's iPhone before any other mobile platform. It's where the users are.
And once there are enough users to support the platform, we're committed: if we support the Mac (or the iPhone), we are going to do it right and give it, and its users, first class attention.
You could say about Logos: "Designed for You. Trusted by Scholars. Right for Mac. Right for PC. Right for iPhone."
:-)