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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011 9:18 AM

Yes, I use the CaTHOLIC lectionary, week by week.  That, plus lesson preparation (if the story doesn't impact me, my sharing of it won't impact anyone else either!) covers my Bible study through the week.  One thing I miss in the Logos edition of the Catholic lectionary is the psalm for each Sunday.  I can find that in my paper missal.  But if I'm away I don't even pack my Hebrew Bible, let alone a missal!  

I do appreciate being able to see the readings for the next Sunday on the homepage at a glance.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 1 2011 10:24 AM

If you want to be radically ecumenical you could steal a glance at the Revised Common Lectionary where there seems to be a Psalm included.

I guess the question is - 'Is one Psalm as good as another?'   Wink

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 1 2011 11:27 AM

Mike Binks:
I guess the question is - 'Is one Psalm as good as another?'  

No - the psalm is technically the "responsorial psalm" being the assembly's response to the Scripture they have heard. It is normally tied to the first reading (Old Testament) but is often tied to the Gospel. There are a number of ways it can be in relationship. If no such relationship exists the final rule is "the chosen psalm would not have been otherwise used" There are also rules that allow for the substitution of psalms.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 1 2011 11:28 AM

nicky crane:
One thing I miss in the Logos edition of the Catholic lectionary is the psalm for each Sunday.

I'm even more persnickety ... I want the antiphons as well.Smile

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 1 2011 5:51 PM

I continue to wish for the Daily Catholic Lectionary. I had it in Logos 3 and I really miss it.  I don't understand what is taking so long to get that added to Logos 4....

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 1 2011 6:00 PM

Dominick Sela:

I continue to wish for the Daily Catholic Lectionary. I had it in Logos 3 and I really miss it.  I don't understand what is taking so long to get that added to Logos 4....

Lou asked for and received the file. However, the new version includes the sanctoral cycle which adds some features that may be requiring more work than just rebuilding the lectionary resource. I don't have any inside information that that is what is going on - it's just that it does add some new wrinkles.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 2 2011 1:26 AM

MJ. Smith:

Mike Binks:
I guess the question is - 'Is one Psalm as good as another?'  

No - the psalm is technically the "responsorial psalm" being the assembly's response to the Scripture they have heard. It is normally tied to the first reading (Old Testament) but is often tied to the Gospel. There are a number of ways it can be in relationship. If no such relationship exists the final rule is "the chosen psalm would not have been otherwise used" There are also rules that allow for the substitution of psalms.

I love this place - I ask silly questions and get answers that teach me so much.

That being said - and I assume it is said about the Catholic Lectionary in particular - do you know if the same rules were applied in the setting of the Revised Common Lectionary?

Thank you MJ

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 2 2011 1:42 AM

Mike Binks:
Thank you MJ

You're welcome. How would you like to know why the psalm got "forgotten". For Catholics the readings are spread (ideally) across 3 roles. The first and second readings are read by a lector, the responsorial psalm is led or sung by a cantor, and the Gospel is read by a deacon (or priest). Hence, 3 books for 4 readings.

Mike Binks:
if the same rules were applied in the setting of the Revised Common Lectionary?

Yes they do. But I don't know what the substitution rules are outside the Catholic tradition. I also don't know how much change there is in the responsorial psalm for the time between Pentecost and Advent - this is the period that has dual threads OT wisdom /prophets for the more Catholic approach, OT narratives for the more Lutheran approach.

 

 

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 2 2011 2:19 AM

MJ. Smith:

Lou asked for and received the file. However, the new version includes the sanctoral cycle which adds some features that may be requiring more work than just rebuilding the lectionary resource. I don't have any inside information that that is what is going on - it's just that it does add some new wrinkles.

 

Thanks MJ, I know you have put a lot of work into many lectionaries. I would love to see them all actually! Thanks for the update, I hope your work comes to fruition very soon!!

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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 2 2011 7:10 AM

Mike Binks:
If you want to be radically ecumenical you could steal a glance at the Revised Common Lectionary where there seems to be a Psalm included.

I'm being radically ecumenical anyway, to the disapproval of some of the less ecumenical brethren.  I'm a (not very good) Anglican, worship with the Catholics, and run Bible studies in a Muslim village on an evangelical model....

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 2 2011 2:15 PM

nicky crane:
I'm being radically ecumenical anyway

In college the coasters (East or West Coast students as opposed to Midwestern where the college was located) were truly radical interfaithers until the college declared we had to prove there was a service to attend. Until then, many paper and test dates could be changed by those of us who were Jewish Catholic Buddhists.Zip it!

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 2 2011 11:34 PM

nicky crane:

Mike Binks:
If you want to be radically ecumenical you could steal a glance at the Revised Common Lectionary where there seems to be a Psalm included.

I'm being radically ecumenical anyway, to the disapproval of some of the less ecumenical brethren.  I'm a (not very good) Anglican, worship with the Catholics, and run Bible studies in a Muslim village on an evangelical model....

Thanks, your reply brightened my day.

It reminds me of a minister (Church of Scotland) who, opening his door to find a Roman Catholic stalwart standing there heard her say 'Minister might I have a word?'

'Goodness' he said, 'I hope you haven't come to convert!' Taken slightly aback the woman asked, 'Why not?'

'Well there's not that much difference you know', said the minister.

Thankfully she had only come for a 'second opinion' on a technical matter.

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Steve Egge | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 16 2011 6:50 AM

Hey ... are my eyes deceiving me or did we get an update to the Catholic Lectionary (date 7-28-11) that now includes the daily as well as Sunday readings?  Seems like it!  Thanks to MJ and all who helped to bring this to fruition!

Steve

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 16 2011 7:11 AM

Hi Steve

Yes, there was a post about it here - http://community.logos.com/forums/t/36390.aspx

Graham

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