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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 11:54 AM

There is no "policy," there's just how we do things. Not deleting is the general rule, but even that hasn't been absolute. We do delete robot spam, for example.

We're generally trying the "no delete" style, but I thought the Kilroy creation and posts were just an intentional provocation, and weren't from a real user. (No address, no phone, no purchase history.) I don't see deleting a "not real user" as contrary to my free speech policy.

I did delete the one thread that was inflaming all this this week simply because I was tired of its continued existence. That was an arbitrary personal indulgence, not a policy. :-)

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Michael Anda | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 11:59 AM

Yay, team!

 

 

 

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:01 PM

Bob Pritchett:

There is no "policy," there's just how we do things. Not deleting is the general rule, but even that hasn't been absolute. We do delete robot spam, for example.

We're generally trying the "no delete" style, but I thought the Kilroy creation and posts were just an intentional provocation, and weren't from a real user. (No address, no phone, no purchase history.) I don't see deleting a "not real user" as contrary to my free speech policy.

I did delete the one thread that was inflaming all this this week simply because I was tired of its continued existence. That was an arbitrary personal indulgence, not a policy. :-)

Thank you

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Michael Anda | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:05 PM

Bob Pritchett:
I did delete the one thread that was inflaming all this this week simply because I was tired of its continued existence. That was an arbitrary personal indulgence, not a policy. :-)

Sounds like a good enough reason to me.  Thank you, kind sir.

 

 

 

 

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:08 PM

Thank you.

Feel free to engage in any other arbitrary personal indulgences that would make you feel better. You're on a roll.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:14 PM

Richard DeRuiter:

Thank you.

Feel free to engage in any other arbitrary personal indulgences that would make you feel better. You're on a roll.

And if Bob feels like having a Logos sale for Independence Day (July 4th in the USA)  I say, "Knock yourself out!"

 

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Abi Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:19 PM

Bob Pritchett:

We're generally trying the "no delete" style, but I thought the Kilroy creation and posts were just an intentional provocation, and weren't from a real user. (No address, no phone, no purchase history.) I don't see deleting a "not real user" as contrary to my free speech policy.

I did delete the one thread that was inflaming all this this week simply because I was tired of its continued existence. That was an arbitrary personal indulgence, not a policy. :-)

I agree 100% that it's your right to delete, or not delete, at your discretion. I didn't see the posts by Kilroy nearly as inflammatory as most of the 300 other posts. As to being a "not real user", Is it a rule that one has to purchase the software in order to post on the forums? Did you check all the other 300 posts for validity? 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:54 PM

Bob Pritchett:
I did delete the one thread that was inflaming all this this week simply because I was tired of its continued existence. That was an arbitrary personal indulgence, not a policy. :-)

Thank you. 

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Richard Masciantonio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 12:55 PM

Bob,

Thanks for bad mouthing 95% of your customer base. As for Logos' new Catholic project manager

As a former Roman Catholic and convinced Protestant, but someone who is still interested in Roman Catholic theology, I am disappointed with the decision by Logos to introduce this emphasis in their product line. Nothing personal against Andrew, but to already hear of the 'living tradition'  means that he will have to introduce works that argue against sola scriptura which will of necessity set the authority of the Roman church above the Word of God. But of course in Rome's view, their tradition IS the Word of God. Let's hope Logos will have the spiritual fortitude to produce works that expose the errors of Rome and save the unknowing from the errors of a system that can refer to a man as 'Holy Father'.

I don't want to sound out of control, but I was just wondering where's the Lutheran, or Greek Orthodox, or Pentecostal project manager?

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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 1:10 PM

Richard Masciantonio:
I don't want to sound out of control, but I was just wondering where's the Lutheran, or Greek Orthodox, or Pentecostal project manager?

Perhaps if there was a large market for those groups,  I'm sure Logos would hire product managers.

Richard Masciantonio:
Nothing personal against Andrew, but to already hear of the 'living tradition'  means that he will have to introduce works that argue against sola scriptura which will of necessity set the authority of the Roman church above the Word of God.

You are not forced to purchase those resources, what is your point?  As a convert to the Catholic Church, I certainly do not get upset if I hear Protestant theology or views... why should you get upset hearing "Roman" viewpoints?  If you are convinced, then grow thicker skin.

- Michael

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Richard Masciantonio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:31 PM

Michael

I’m glad you noticed the ‘market’ factor here; though I hope that’s not the reason Logos brought Andrew on board.

My point is Logos can publish RC titles without a project manager as they have done in the past and many of which I have purchased. My point, which I made in my post, is that many Roman Catholic works will of necessity reduce the written Word of God to the level of ‘living tradition’.  I am sure that you are aware that the Catechism puts the Word of God within the larger category (in Rome’s opinion) of Tradition, again the very tradition that allows the title for God the Father to be applied to a man.

Jn. 17:11 Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

 

All of those who have true faith in Jesus Christ are in organic unity with one another and enjoy true catholicity, and this is the work of the Holy Father. Christian courtesy will keep me from commenting further on how some apply this title.

God bless

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:39 PM

Richard Masciantonio:
My point, which I made in my post, is that many Roman Catholic works will of necessity reduce the written Word of God to the level of ‘living tradition’.

Richard, I think this is venturing into precisely what Bob is telling us not to do in the first post of this thread: engaging in a theological debate.

Stop.

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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:56 PM

Richard Masciantonio:
I’m glad you noticed the ‘market’ factor here; though I hope that’s not the reason Logos brought Andrew on board.

I've got no inside knowledge into their reasoning...  

Richard Masciantonio:
My point, which I made in my post, is that many Roman Catholic works will of necessity reduce the written Word of God to the level of ‘living tradition’.

Who cares... Within the Protestant tradition there are many people on this forum who hold different views on important topics such as salvation.  Should Logos select a particular tradition and dismiss all others?  Common Richard, grow some skin... people here come from all sorts of neat and interesting backgrounds... When you read something from Andrew (or any other Catholic), just dismiss it and move on. I've noticed that most people here are quite secure in their faith and will not be swayed by a single "tradition" statement from Andrew or any Catholic.

- Michael

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 2:59 PM

Michael Gaskin:
Who cares... Within the Protestant tradition there are many people on this forum who hold different views on important topics such as salvation.  Should Logos select a particular tradition and dismiss all others out?

Michael, this is also engaging in theological debate, which this thread is intended to stop.

So stop. Just stop.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:00 PM

Richard Masciantonio:
he will have to introduce works that argue against sola scriptura which will of necessity set the authority of the Roman church above the Word of God.
In my personal opinion, your point is exactly the reason Protestants and Catholics should be PLEASED with what Logos is doing—not angry.

- From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will allow you to develop a stronger argument to persuade others of their error.

-  From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will bring in more Roman Catholic users who will then also get exposed to Protestant resources that could persuade them to embrace Sola Scriptura.

- From a Catholic perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Catholic tradition will simply make them happy to use Logos.

Logos, like any good Library, is neutral to "why" people read certain content.  If a user wants to read a book to research and writing... you win.  If a user wants to read a book to debunk bad theology... you win.  If a user wants to read a book to reinforce their theology.. you win.

In the end, more Catholic resources is a Win Win Win situation for everybody of every tradition who cares about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  

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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:04 PM

Richard DeRuiter:

Michael, this is also engaging in theological debate, which this thread is intended to stop.

So stop. Just stop.

<laughs> If you think that was a theological debate, goodness... you need to grow some skin too.

- Michael

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Silent Sam | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:06 PM

Bob Pritchett:
There is no "policy," there's just how we do things.
Bob Pritchett:
I don't see deleting a "not real user" as contrary to my free speech policy.

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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:16 PM

Joe Miller:
-  From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will bring in more Roman Catholic users who will then also get exposed to Protestant resources that could persuade them to embrace Sola Scriptura.

I expect a note from the forum police on this... If I get an infraction on my message above this one, surely, this will as well... <smiles>  We're getting close to silliness...

- Michael

PS: I'm wondering if the person giving me the infraction actually read my entire message....???

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Richard Masciantonio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:21 PM

Richard

Thank you for the word of caution, but please note a number of things. Bob’s comment on “out of control Protestants” is a caricature at best. As I sated in my last post, all those who have true faith in Christ enjoy true catholicity. We see this in the fact that Reformed, Lutheran, Pentecostal/Charismatic and others who enjoy fellowship with one another and are in agreement with the truth of the Gospel (Gal. 2:14). This ‘evangelical unity’ is real and strong enough to allow groups to hold on to distinctives that are dear to them without being branded as heretics or by the euphemism of ‘separated brethren’. Please do not take offense at my use of this term as I mean none.

I am not debating here, and will abide by your request. What I am doing is showing what Roman Catholicism plainly and unapologetically teaches and wondering aloud will Logos produce works that answer Rome’s claims. Certainly no Christian of any denominational stripe can be at ease when divine titles are applied to men, especially without any scriptural warrant. But this is exactly the issue when you have a source of authority through which the Word of God must be interpreted.

Michael, thanks for the exchange, rickster54@hotmail.com

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:25 PM

Hi Michael,

The point I am making is that Logos is not in the business of controlling how users might apply the resources in their library. There is no reason for Logos to take a position (Catholic or Reformed, or Arminian) because everyone who reads will have a different use for the same book.  If someone wants to read a book to affirm their faith or research a paper or develop a stronger apologetic, you are free to do that.  

Here is my analogy.  Imagine Logos has been selling screwdrivers for the past 20 years.   Now, Logos has decided to expand their line of tools and sell hammers.  Some customers might get angry and say, "Hey Logos, don't you care about screwdrivers anymore?"  "If everyone starts buying hammers, then they wont love their screwdrivers as much."  "Logos, if you are going to sell hammers, why is there no disclaimer on the right way to use it?"

Again, this is just my personal perspective, but Logos just provides the hammer, you can decide how to use it.

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